Now I know who is making money from Green Deal....

[Worcester]

We are transparent with our customers, that's why we have a full order book for the next 10 weeks, and more quotes to do.

NOW is actually a better time to invest in solar than it was in November 2011.

The Green Deal will NOT be a better offer for THEM.

 

[Gavin A]

until it launches in March I don't think anyone should be installing. I understand it is a long way from where it was originally, but, until it launches we just don't know what they are going to do.

Since the surprise announcement on 30th October 2011 no-one can guarantee what is going to be released in March, we can all speculate but no-one knows.

why not be transparent with your customers and just wait three months

I think you're spouting a load of dangerous nonsense, and frankly it worries me that you've been going in to meetings at DECC as a representative of the industry unless your contributions to this thread are a bit of an aberration.

Green Deal is a loan, that's all it is, and it's a loan charging around 7-8% interest. It therefore can only possibly benefit those who're unable to finance an installation themselves and also unable to raise finance at less than 7-8% interest, which rules out pretty much all of our customers.

If you were talking about rent a roof companies then you might actually have a point, but none of us on here offer rent a roof options and if this is what you're talking about then you really ought to explain yourself better because you're risking seriously confusing people into thining Green Deal might in some way be relevant to them and their solar purchase when it won't.

 

[sparkless]

NOW is actually a better time to invest in solar than it was in November 2011.

spoken like a true Double Glazing Salesman.

in November 2011 it was 43.3p for 25 years
now its 15.44p for 20 years

 

[SpitfireW'sale]

It's pretty clear to me and I would have thought the vast majority on this forum that Worcester knows his trade extremely well. This thread seems to be spiralling downward to me!

 

[sparkless]

I think you're spouting a load of dangerous nonsense, and frankly it worries me that you've been going in to meetings at DECC as a representative of the industry unless your contributions to this thread are a bit of an aberration.

Green Deal is a loan, that's all it is, and it's a loan charging around 7-8% interest. It therefore can only possibly benefit those who're unable to finance an installation themselves and also unable to raise finance at less than 7-8% interest, which rules out pretty much all of our customers.

If you were talking about rent a roof companies then you might actually have a point, but none of us on here offer rent a roof options and if this is what you're talking about then you really ought to explain yourself better because you're risking seriously confusing people into thining Green Deal might in some way be relevant to them and their solar purchase when it won't.

I completely agree with you that the Green Deal we are all expecting will not work with Solar, it is a loan that when charged at 7-8% interest would never work with either part finance nor any other way.

my point was that in the original draft it was a large part of solar and we were core to it.

theres a lot of people on here thinking that the Green Deal has nothing to do with us.

I'm saying in the original draft it did, it has got completely lost along the way, but originally we were in it

thers a reason the launch has been held back

I was merely pointing out that there is a delay for a reason

anyone with half a brain can see that the scheme we are expecting will do nothing for the PV industry

 

[Gavin A]

my point was that in the original draft it was a large part of solar and we were core to it.

this just has no basis in reality - solar has never been anything other than a minor potential add on to green deal, green deal has always been focused primarily on energy efficiency not renewable energy generation right from the first discussions about it all the way through to now.

There may be some last minute attempt to shoe horn solar in by allowing the FIT payments to be included within the golden rule, but if there is then this will be a complete change in position from DECC, and the only market it will impact is the rent a roof market, and I suspect that this would be where any pressure for this change would be coming from.

 

[Ian-LS]

spoken like a true Double Glazing Salesman.

in November 2011 it was 43.3p for 25 years
now its 15.44p for 20 years

But the costs are half what they were in November 2011 and the export is 4.5p/kWh and electricty prices have gone up since November 2011. Its not double glazing salesman speak, the quotes we are sending out recently have similar rate of return to November 2011 but it half the up front cost. So in that sense its a better investment

 

[Worcester]

spoken like a true Double Glazing Salesman.

Can't be bothered to counter it .... Thanks to those of you that did!

sparkless, I really don't understand what your beef is. We're all entitled to the odd BMW moment (Bitch, Moan, Winge) in this case though it seems like you just don't like the fact that s**t happens.

The bottom line is simple, if you want to be in business in this sector then you have to play by the rules of the game. It's the same in any business sector, rules regulations, legislation, opportunities, threats. In this game the rules just like musical chairs - CHANGE every 90 days.

In our business plan, every time a change happens it creates a new opportunity. Renewables is what we do, we're here to stay, hence why for the last 6 months we've been investing heavily in qualifications and certifications, getting trained and experienced in the areas that represent opportunities to our clients and our market sector.

Look around others are doing the same - eco-deal (aka MEP) MCS Renewables, Berneray, GavinA, even somecamel's opened a shop and many others - all some of the wiser members of this forum (is there a clue here?)

Stop whinging, it's your choice, if you don't like it get out of it you dont HAVE to renew your MCS certification in March if you don't want to...

 

[Energetic]

I've just re-read this thread to see if i'd missed some important pearl of wisdom that gives your position any credibility.

So far in this thread we have had the following claims from you:

FiT replaced ROC... Not true

Green Deal replaces FiT... Not true

More than two PV installs for one owner is banned... not true

An unconsulted, unannounced plan devised by disgraced former Secretary of state for energy and climate change to provide free solar to everyone will come into place in march and is the reason the green deal has not been launched... afaik not true, please provide evidence.

Free solar would be funded at change of ownership resulting on a new tax on purchasing homes with higher efficiency... IMO unlikely in the current housing market climate that the government is desperate to prop up, please provide evidence to suport this claim.


On top of that you have attacked the credibility of respected industry professionals and produced nothing to back up your claims.

You have attemped to present opinion as fact and ignored everyone who has given their time and knowledge to present actual facts in an easy to understand way, and in doing so have made yourself look a bit of a prat. I'm all for prople making themselves look a prat normally but this forum is open to the public and i do sincerely hope that your ravings are ignored by the general public who i believe are clever enough to look at the facts and make an informed decision.

I am still waiting for the pearl of wisdom but suspect i'm more likely to get abuse again...

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[sedgy34]

I think sparkless is a villa fan lol say no more!!

 

[SibertSolar]

Amazing.....really don't know where to start....in fact, I won't. I'll keep reading with avid interest and wait and see if any sense has actually gone in. Failing to see what the actual point/message is supposed to be?

 

[puddy]

I think you have all seen my solar pv figures in cash?

Homesun will receive around £1245 for the last 12 months

I didn’t let homesun come to me!!! I went to them and Sue Welland and her team were brilliant. My contract was only 2 pages long with no small print and it states they only rent 2 inches of airspace above my roof. It makes clear they don’t own any part of my house. So it doesn’t turn my freehold in to lease hold it won’t stop you getting a mortgage.

I didn’t have the money to pay for solar panels. I have just paid my mortgage off and as I have said before borrowing money that secured on my house
for 8 panels on the roof is a none starter for me.

I will not have any type of loan secured against my house What happens when interest rates start going up? Yes they my start at 8% but is the APR going to be fixed?

Being a loan secured against your property the APR will be variable. What happen when they start going up to 10-12% and don’t forget your mortgage will rise at the same rates. Electric oil and gas will rise too but if your income like most stuck at 1% per year how will we pay these bills. People will lose their homes to the banks


Yes with my solar setup I lose £1245 a year but I will still get lower electric bills than my neighbors plus if it breakdowns Homesun will repair it if the inverter fails its down to homesun. Being at home 24/7 means we can use a lot of free energy we only put one machine on at a time. If its dull we put the dishwasher on between 12-2pm and washing machine on between 2-4pm in the summer we have 4-6am hours of the night rate which is when we get cheap electric on economy 10 . Both have delay controls and both are low energy machines

Talking of low energy Japan have not fallen in love with 3D TV instead because the tsunami and earthquakes knocked out many power stations they are still not back to normal so they are buying and making more energy efficient electrical goods like TV’s air conditioning etc which will be sold here soon

 

[grandfortune]

TBH, i've learnt most about the green deal from this thread than any other.

 

[finchy]

Great thread ....nice little catch up on the in's and out's. I think the moral is not to have any, grasp opportunity when it comes, didn't the "gold rush" teach us anything ??

 

[Earthstore]

For the sake of the public let's try and put some perspective to this as it appears to be going off in all tangents.

The Green deal is another government idea to help people to make energy saving measures to their properties, as with most government ideas it appears not to have been thought through fully before they announce a start date, therefore it has been postponed for a while, we have heard of this too many times in this industry, but that is politics for you.

In simple terms it is a way for you to borrow the money to make beneficial energy improvements to you homes.
If you feel that solar PV would be right for you, then as it stands at the moment, you should be able to part fund your PV project through the Green deal, also the interest rates will not be as favourable as you could get elsewhere, and it puts a "charge" on you property!

Now, some companies feel this will be an "incentive" for people to install PV, others feel that it will be used by companies to "miss sell" .
It may well be beneficial for landlords, whether private or council, but in my opinion, (for what it is worth) there are better alternatives for the public to finance their PV projects.

The Green Deal may work well for other measures, insulation for example, however as it is not up and running yet, most of this is speculation.

Even though I have personally taken a back seat in this industry for the time being, I would and do still recommend that people install PV, and as others have said, your financial returns are as good as they were in the busy times, but your capital outlay (however you fund it) is less.