old rewireables..

[CSP2012]

Am I right in thinking that I can carry out a eicr on an old rewireable fuseboard? No install so technically I don't need RCD protection on anything...? I'd prefer to change it to a 17th edition board but customer wants to keep costs at an all time low.
Any thoughts welcome.
Chris

 

[Plonker 3]

Why would a 40 year DB throw up any problems, unless you actully get your tools and tester out you won't have a clue what state the install is in. Or is it just I can make more money for less work attitude?

 

[ipf]

Chris you are a professional electrician charged with advising the ill informed cost cutting dick heads that customers usually are - I mean people who lack the knowledge to make proper decisions. A rewireable fuseboard - what 40 years old ? why bother carrying out an EICR a visual inspection of something that old is going to produce reams of reasons to replace the system - tell the tight so and so to stop sitting on his wallet and do the job right - but diplomatically !! Only my opinion and i'm usually in hot water lol

Some installs done 40 years ago, to 14th edition, by proper tradesmen, would still knock spots off some of the crap i see done to 17th.

 

[Redvanman]

Why does something overnight go from perfectly safe too potentially dangerous?

Potentially dangerous suggests just that potentially. It may not cause a death via electrocution but potentially it could so you recommend you remove the potential danger

 

[sparkdog]

I think the old wire fuses are great.No problems with welders and motors tripping out.They only blow when there is a proper fault and then with a very nice Bang.I feel they are unfairly discriminated against.Bring 'em all back is what I say.

 

[Redvanman]

Some installs done 40 years ago, to 14th edition, by proper tradesmen, would still knock spots of some of the crap i see done to 17th.

Yep but it won't impress the men who make money out of writing and enforcing the latest regulations.

 

[Plonker 3]

Via a C3 improvement recomended. You scare someone into having work done because it doesn't comply now but did in the past.

 

[ipf]

Yep but it won't impress the men who make money out of writing and enforcing the latest regulations.

Stuff 'em then !!!

 

[Plonker 3]

Yep but it won't impress the men who make money out of writing and enforcing the latest regulations.

No the only people making money out of them is you as you tell a customer they need RCDs fitting, when they don't.

 

[ipf]

No the only people making money out of them is you as you tell a customer they need RCDs fitting, when they don't.

What's safe IS safe, no doubting that.

 

[Redvanman]

I don't tell them they need rcd CU just suggest a rcd socket cheapest option.
And its a suggestion not a need. Quotes are given. Links to the niceic are given to check up on my suggestion.
if they have asked for a EICR they must want to no that the system is safe.
if the earthings ok, circuits test up ok, no defects, them a quick change of a double socket £15/£20 to a rcd socket give the house a clean bill of health then I thinks it worth it

 

[not clever]

:rolleyes2:
Its a C3 no more no less & that is only due to lack of RCD & if its an older wood backed unit then an extra note would be made in the observations.

£15 - £20 for one rcd socket.....................that would be for a bog standard socket. why mess about with the sockets, just add a standalone rcd at the cu & run the socket circuit through it.

 

[SYKRAPS]

Rewire.....Rewire....Rewire.............lol

 

[DB9]

Experience

 

[Redvanman]

After a sleepless night of ----ing and turning worrying that i had been coding my EICR's wrong i decided to take the matter to a higher level than us mere mortals, the NICEIC tech support.

This is the outcome.

C3 should be given for socket outlet circuits that do not have RCD protection which are not liable to be used for portable equipment ie: 1st floor
C3 should be given to circuits that have cables buried in the wall less than 50mm without mechanical protection.
C3 should be given to circuits that supply bathrooms etc and supplementary bonding as correct.

C2 should be given to socket outlet circuits that do not have RCD protection which are liable to be used for portable equipment ie: ground floor
C2 should be given to circuits supplying bathrooms etc if the supplementary bonding is incorrect.

I do believe that i understand the concept Mr G Sparks
I do believe that i am not scaring any body by suggesting RCD protection in some form Mr Dillb
I do not think by correctly coding the RCD protection issue on a EICR is giving the trade a bad name, only those who incorrectly carry out their job do that Mr Murdock

its time for me to celebrate this slam dunk arty:

 

[Andy78]

its time for me to celebrate this slam dunk

You are of course assuming that people on the forum will just accept the NICEIC tech support as the be all and end all of EICR codings. This won't be the case.