old rewireables..

[CSP2012]

Am I right in thinking that I can carry out a eicr on an old rewireable fuseboard? No install so technically I don't need RCD protection on anything...? I'd prefer to change it to a 17th edition board but customer wants to keep costs at an all time low.
Any thoughts welcome.
Chris

 

[Edd]

Im happy for any of you to deside between C2 or C3 for an electrical item that WILL be used outside protected by a BS1361, see my posts above. All I can say is when I stand up in court defending myself at the death of miss Smith as she was found mowing the lawn and my name was on the cert, Im covered. What about the rest of you?????

 

[Edd]

No but this the same house that was built 50 years ago before all the mod cons came along like sky, DVDs games console. Toasters kettles microwaves. Hardly any sockets in the house but lots of 4 was adapters plugged in around the house.

Is this any different?

BIG time yes,, I aint taking my DVD player outside and cutting the grass with it, a chalange as that may be!

 

[Plonker 3]

Slightly off topic, but how many times have you heard of a spark being being prosecuted for a bad EICR or PIR where afterwards someone has been seriously injured or killed?

 

[Plonker 3]

BIG time yes,, I aint taking my DVD player outside and cutting the grass with it, a chalange as that may be!

So you would quite happily allow the overloading of a socket?

 

[Edd]

So you would quite happily allow the overloading of a socket?

Sorry you lost me there.

Edit,, The beer has been cracked so will continue this intresting debate latter. Oh and no grudges held it is a great debate with diffrent opinions...

 

[Guest55]

Im happy for any of you to deside between C2 or C3 for an electrical item that WILL be used outside protected by a BS1361, see my posts above. All I can say is when I stand up in court defending myself at the death of miss Smith as she was found mowing the lawn and my name was on the cert, Im covered. What about the rest of you?????

you seem obsessed with the death of someone because their installation lacks a device that wasnt even in common use till the 90's , yet electrical fatalities in the home prior to this were still in small numbers.
in other words youre scaremongering without proper facts.

go ahead and issue C2's , thereby failing , every domestic install you come across that hasnt got rcd protection to virtually all groundfloor sockets......

which completely removes the leeway for each individual inspector to use his own discretion in deciding what is overall still fit for continued use.

 

[Redvanman]

Slightly off topic, but how many times have you heard of a spark being being prosecuted for a bad EICR or PIR where afterwards someone has been seriously injured or killed?

03.03.2013


A Bristol property development firm has been prosecuted after a plumber was electrocuted while installing a washing machine.
Danny Edwards, 23, from Fishponds, Bristol, was killed while working on the appliance in a kitchen at Pollacks House in Percival Road, Clifton, Bristol on 19 March 2008.


During the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) prosecution of Mr Edwards’ employers Birakos Enterprises Limited, Bristol Magistrates’ Court heard the socket that powered the washing machine was wired incorrectly.


It is thought that when father-of-one Mr Edwards was working on the machine, he touched a copper water pipe and the back of the machine simultaneously, causing the massive electric shock.


Despite the kitchen’s electrics being signed off as safe by the electrical division of Birakos Enterprises Limited, it was discovered the live and earth wires had been put into the socket incorrectly, meaning the washing machine became electrically live when plugged in.


After the hearing, HSE inspector Steven Frain said:


“Danny Edwards should have been protected by his employers. Instead he was allowed to work on a machine in which a socket was obviously wired incorrectly.


“The fault should have been found during testing but this fault was left unresolved and ultimately led to the death of this young father.”


Birakos Enterprises Limited of Clifton Wood House, Clifton Wood Road, Bristol was found guilty to Regulation 4 (1) and 16 of the Control of Electricity Regulations 1989 and Section 2 (1) of the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 and was fined a total of £125,000 and ordered to pay costs of £50,000.

 

[Plonker 3]

When was the EICR or PIR carried out, that due to no testing not because of what we are discussing.

 

[Mike66]

Just looked at a pir on a first floor flat done by a Electrical Trainee he coded the ommision of rcd as a C1. This perhaps a C3? Install is an Old 1970s Wylex DB

 

[Redvanman]

Nearest thing I found about someone being done for signing off work as safe when it wasn't
it seems HSE are taken electricity seriously now so it could be only a matter of time especially if its a rented property and the tenant gets a belt, blames landlord, sues him and he counter sues sparks for signing off installation with C3's.
i scared myself now, it sounds like we've turned all yank

 

[Sharpend]

Oh boy!

 

[Redvanman]

Just looked at a pir on a first floor flat done by a Electrical Trainee he coded the ommision of rcd as a C1. This perhaps a C3? Install is an Old 1970s Wylex DB

Maybe they had a really long extension lead running the garden swimming pool lol

 

[Edd]

you seem obsessed with the death of someone because their installation lacks a device that wasnt even in common use till the 90's , yet electrical fatalities in the home prior to this were still in small numbers.
in other words youre scaremongering without proper facts.

go ahead and issue C2's , thereby failing , every domestic install you come across that hasnt got rcd protection to virtually all groundfloor sockets......

which completely removes the leeway for each individual inspector to use his own discretion in deciding what is overall still fit for continued use.

You are so right, but you have missed the point. and its not scare mongering, far from it. but a good honest discusion with the ocupier of the installation will help you, cars from 20 years ago didnt need seat belts, but now it costs you 3 points and a £60 fine. are the police wrong?

 

[Plonker 3]

You are so right, but you have missed the point. and its not scare mongering, far from it. but a good honest discusion with the ocupier of the installation will help you, cars from 20 years ago didnt need seat belts, but now it costs you 3 points and a £60 fine. are the police wrong?

Neither do they need them fitted. So the fine only stands if they are fitted.

 

[Dcf]

did one today. had a look at selects guidance notes on inspections.
C3 for non rcd protected sockets.
thats their take on it anyway.
the problem with inspections is that the unexperienced are going in to do these jobs with no clue what is dangerous and what is not.
we did have electricity before the 17th you know.
When i do them if its rewirable and the bonding and the disconnection times are fine its a c3 with a recommend to change board.
if the disconnection times are pants c2 but usually that means there is other stuff going on and its unsatisfactory anyway.