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[Marvo]

How do the schemes add value or how were they originally intended to add value? Do they provide insurance and checks and balances for the customer for example? I'm guessing they must have originally brought something to the party.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

How do the schemes add value or how were they originally intended to add value? Do they provide insurance and checks and balances for the customer for example? I'm guessing they must have originally brought something to the party.

the original concept was to reduce the number of accidents and fatalities associated with poor electrical installations due to cowboys n sharpsters.....but it`s backfired spectacularly....as any number of these characters can just hand over moneys....and your in the club.....it just isn`t regulated properly....the scheme providers arn`t interested either.....its all a bit of a tip really.....

 

[flyingsausage]

The UK electricial industry has two many people with their finger in the pie and they all want a larger share of the money in the pie.
Be it JIB,the IEE,these Napit etc and all the rest including agencies,payment companies and training providers.
Most take money from the trade bit wull never put any money back in.

I would not know where to start if I was to reconmend a way of fixing it.

 

[flyingsausage]

the original concept was to reduce the number of accidents and fatalities associated with poor electrical installations due to cowboys n sharpsters.....but it`s backfired spectacularly....as any number of these characters can just hand over moneys....and your in the club.....it just isn`t regulated properly....the scheme providers arn`t interested either.....its all a bit of a tip really.....

You are correct from reading this forum I do see threads from guys that do not have a clue about electrical work asking for advice from electricians on how to pass the tests to get into these schemes.
These schemes have become a cancer on the trade - they are now only there to keep those that work there in a job and not to do any sort of policing of their members - as they know a disgruntled member will hust jump ship to another scheme.They have just become a money making racket.

 

[Marvo]

Who are the schemes themselves registered with? Is there an industry governing body that oversees them or is it government?

 

[VoltzElectrical]

How do the schemes add value or how were they originally intended to add value? Do they provide insurance and checks and balances for the customer for example? I'm guessing they must have originally brought something to the party.

Not being in one Marvo, I can't comment, but from what i can gather from other threads, they are mainly interested in pursuing people that use their logos without being paid up members.

They don't seem to be interested in helping out people who have received substandard workmanship, nor offer insurance to people who have had substandard work done.

As far as I am concerned, they are just one piece of a money making racquet with the sole trader as the pawn in a corrupt game.

Maybe I'm wrong, and someone will come on here and correct me, after all, I'm not registered and don't do domestic work. But I'll be honest, the thought of having to do two notifiable jobs, and paying all that money to a scam so I can self notify, doesn't entice me into that saturated market when I'll have to do umpteen little jobs to even cover my subscription costs for the year.

No wonder cash jobs rule. the system is set up to favour the unscrupulous.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

well i dont know where it goes from here.....

 

[VoltzElectrical]

this thread is worryingly undersubscribed by some of the heavy weight regulars of this forum.

Come on guys, step up and give some balance to this discussion 'cos I'm out of my depth here.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

http://Building Regulations - Part P certification schemes - IET Electrical

take a look at this Marvo...

 

[flyingsausage]

The reason that cash jobs rule will always be that it is cheaper to get a spark to do a job on the side than get a sole trader spark or a company into do the work as they have alot of overheads which reflect in their prices.

An example is my parents wanted the downstairs of their house painted and phoned a few companies for a quote,they got quotes ranging from £1000 to £1500 for the work.Which to me seemed way over the top.
They ended up using a self employed one man band painter who done it for £550 if they supplied the paint - he only took two days and did a great job.
He only had a small van and worked from his garage so did not have alot of overheads or have to charge VAT like the others did.Plus he got alot of other work from friends of my parents who reconmend him.

 

[flyingsausage]

It would be good if we did have a licence scheme to trade or do electricial work in this country as it would get rid of many unskilled and the cowboys overnight

 

[GLENNSPARK]

It would be good if we did have a licence scheme to trade or do electricial work in this country as it would get rid of many unskilled and the cowboys overnight

but your scheme providers would go out of business....so it wont happen.....

 

[Engineer54]

It would be good if we did have a licence scheme to trade or do electricial work in this country as it would get rid of many unskilled and the cowboys overnight

That's what i keep promoting, Get a National Register of Qualified Electricians, and you won't need these scam scheme providers any longer!!

They won't go out of business, they will just revert back to what they were doing before!! But it will make a bloody big dent in there profitability... lol!!!

 

[flyingsausage]

I wonder who owns these schemes,as there must be some profit in them?