Problem customer

[eagleeye]

Hi guys I recently posted a message on here regarding a problem I have. Basically i fitted a new kitchen for them and new electrical circuits. RCD board and all. I noticed that the gas and water had no earth connection on them so told the lady and she didnt want me to do it as i would charge her because it wasnt part of my estimate. Also when i put in the new ringmain 2 sockets on the downstairs stopped working. The house needs a rewire as the wiring is in a right mess as are the old fuse boards and this problem would have been sorted out then. She was refusing to pay me for some other extra work that i did so i didnt give her a certificate until she sorted it out. She has now got in touch with the NICEIC who im registered with and they have sent me a letter about it. they want a response by 11th Feb. What do you people think about this?



Regards
Paul

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I think you can sum up this thread from the first post and Aok1's post prior to this.....The scheme (scam) providers and part P enforcers are registering as competant poorly qualified persons who have very little knowledge of how to carry out the work properly.That is abundantly clear.I dont blame the incompetant persons registered,they are just trying to earn a living the same as the rest of us. It is a deeply flawed system that bypasses the essential ingredient of experience before qualification.
Wasn't part P brought into being under the office of one John Prescott?....enough said.

 

[flukey]

good post aok,

i agree with your post wholly, but the mistakes made by the op regarding bonding is so basic nobody carrying out electrical work as their main trade or a sideline should miss it, let alone dispute it

 

[Bobby B]

i did a four year MA, turns out i needn't have bothered

 

[uksel]

I've also just realised the irony in the threads title

'problem customer'

funny how he can't see he's likely the one with the problem

 

[flukey]

I've also just realised the irony in the threads title

'problem customer'

funny how he can't see he's likely the one with the problem

its also in his name "eagleeye" as he failed to spot there was no bonding lol

 

[saveloy]

Ya know what, I reckon he's taken enough grief over this. He made a mistake, hopefully he'll learn from it. At least he came here looking for advice, realised his mistake and hopefully will become a better sparks because of it.

 

[bugsy]

Its o.k. eagleye you can come out now

 

[dufjax]

Ya know what, I reckon he's taken enough grief over this. He made a mistake, hopefully he'll learn from it. At least he came here looking for advice, realised his mistake and hopefully will become a better sparks because of it.

Plus if you have a look he ain't logged in for two days... and probably isn't likey to again

Jim

 

[saveloy]

Plus if you have a look he ain't logged in for two days... and probably isn't likey to again

Jim

Well I hope that isn't the case. What if he were unsure of something and carried on as best as he knew how,rather than seeking advice for fear of being villified on here.

 

[dufjax]

Well I hope that isn't the case. What if he were unsure of something and carried on as best as he knew how,rather than seeking advice for fear of being villified on here.

http://www.electriciansforums.net/members/eagleeye.html

Lets hope he's been sitting on the side line as a guest, if you are eagleeye then we hope you doin ok and welcome you back anytime.

Jim

 

[saveloy]

http://www.electriciansforums.net/members/eagleeye.html

Lets hope he's been sitting on the side line as a guest, if you are eagleeye then we hope you doin ok and welcome you back anytime.

Jim

I second that. Eagleeye youve spent more than enough time on the naughty chair.

 

[uksel]

ever heard the saying a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

inviting him back with any future issues is basically like saying

'ok mate, it's quite apparent you aint got an effing clue what you're doing, so any time you aint got a clue what needs to be done so you dont kill someone, you just come on here and we'll tell you what to do, the solid advice to give here, is stop doing electrical work that you are not qualified to do!'

balls to this I hope you're ok and everything works itself out - I hope they throw the book at you, that little thing called earthing that you overlooked could have cost someone their life!!!!!

giving people little drips of relevant information gives people confidence in their actions, which IMO is very dangerous - the only advice that should be given for electrical installation, testing & certification for self employed non-sparks is get someone qualified and competent to do the work.

the only paperwork that people without a 2391 qualification should be filling in is a minor electrical installation works certificate, if you aint heard of that - pay someone that has to do the work.


phew!

 

[dufjax]

ever heard the saying a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

inviting him back with any future issues is basically like saying

'ok mate, it's quite apparent you aint got an effing clue what you're doing, so any time you aint got a clue what needs to be done so you dont kill someone, you just come on here and we'll tell you what to do, the solid advice to give here, is stop doing electrical work that you are not qualified to do!'

balls to this I hope you're ok and everything works itself out - I hope they throw the book at you, that little thing called earthing that you overlooked could have cost someone their life!!!!!

giving people little drips of relevant information gives people confidence in their actions, which IMO is very dangerous - the only advice that should be given for electrical installation, testing & certification for self employed non-sparks is get someone qualified and competent to do the work.

the only paperwork that people without a 2391 qualification should be filling in is a minor electrical installation works certificate, if you aint heard of that - pay someone that has to do the work.


phew!

My point was why keep on giving some one that ain't logged in for two days a kicking.
I agree in principle with every thing your saying, and hopefully some people have learnt that limited knowledge is dangerous...
But launching personal attacks on these people will only scare them off, with even less knowledge than we tried to give them...
THEN THEY WILL KILL SOMEONE!!!!!

 

[uksel]

not aiming specifically at the OP, my thoughts are along the lines of other people also reading this thread and taking comments on board, and i hope you dont think anything is being targeted towards you, or anyone else who has given their time to share an opinion

but there's definitely a lesson to be learnt from this, and it's a lot bigger than a slap on the wrist for mister joe bloggs who is doing nothing different from any other kitchen fitter, boiler installer or carpet bloody fitter in the country with part p under their belts. because let's face it - he's not the bigger picture here, he's just been a perfect example of what is wrong with the system

 

[flukey]

i think your missing the point here and i am with uksel all the way.

the op isnt someone thats unsure coming here looking for advice, he is a registered competent person that should nt be asking basic questions like that in the first place

as i said before if he was learning or a diy bod then i would cut him some slack but he is doing work using his niceic competent persons registration to convince people he knows his stuff when quite clearly he doesnt and encouraging him to carry on is very irresponsible.

i would suggest he enrolls on a refresher course to establish the basics before he considers doing any more electrical work

i do however hope he updates us with what the niceic did regarding this matter as if i was his assessor i would be putting him through a rigorous reassessment