Short course trained operatives

[GMES]

You knew it had to come.
Mike and Tony have done the Electrician and Industrial so it is only fair we do one for the short course members, Mods this is not for Bashing them or taking the Michael but it will be good to see the results.
I am off to work now, but look forward to the results this evening!!

 

[egg67]

When at home I work by time on oven clock(O.C.T) not G M T. As my 4 year old has just worked out that if he pushes a button all the number will change its mucked up my timing so to day when I got in at 2pm GMT, OCT was saying beer time, but I think OCT is a better way to go, what do you think?

 

[joe.ninety]

Ok then, time to come clean... My name is Engineer54 and I'm a Electrical Trainee :rofl:

 

[High Tower]

Ok then, time to come clean... My name is Engineer54 and I'm a Electrical Trainee :rofl:

Priceless!! Lol

 

[Guest77]

When at home I work by time on oven clock(O.C.T) not G M T. As my 4 year old has just worked out that if he pushes a button all the number will change its mucked up my timing so to day when I got in at 2pm GMT, OCT was saying beer time, but I think OCT is a better way to go, what do you think?

I think by the look of your post you have had 2 or 3 too many :smilielol5:

 

[egg67]

Think so. Always do this when little one goes to Nanny& granddad for weekend, wife will be home soon wanting dinner and all I want to so is go to sleep, should not finish early on a Friday

 

[Engineer54]

It is interesting that a thread which purports to start with good intentions soon degenerates into a mindless diatribe about avatars!
I have no problem I did Electrical Trainee 2382,2392,2394,2395 after 25 years as a director of a multi function property department and after 30 years of buying derelict houses refurbishing them including plumbing electrics ( supervised by qualified sparks etc).
I stick to what I know domestic and if I don't know I find out! Rather than just go ahead and install crap.
Many of the old school Electrical Trainee bashers should think again!! Better to have someone mature who knows there limitations and is committed to further training than some totally unqualified "for cash merchant".
Also some of you forget qualifications and time served mean nothing without integrity and the desire to go the best job you can. I have seen more crap installs by so called time served sparky's who just happen to never issue the paperwork than Electrical Trainee who do their best.
So in summary guys give it a damned rest!
Oh and as an aside I'm also legally qualified a Chartered Surveyor and know a hell of a lot about buildings.
So in summary go ahead give me a kicking. It will be fun especially for those of you who think your opinion matters which in reality of course it doesn't.
Alternatively those highly skilled members with countless years experience could turn this site into a brilliant asset admired by all. At the moment it tends to revolve around a few and there selective negativity.
Finally to the many Electrical Trainee on this site grow some balls interact or become a plumber.
We all have much to learn! Those to be criticised are those that think they know it all or who don't ask for help when they need it. Those to be kicked are the people who just don't give a damn!
Cheers.

The above is not a Electrical Trainee course!! They are all inspection and testing courses apart from the open book 17th (2382). I'm impressed that you managed to pass all exams of these courses in those 5 weeks. Oh and ALL are supplementary qualifications....

So you are a ''Director'' of a multi function property company and a Professional Chartered Surveyor, and now you are a so called DI. Sorry but i'm having trouble with a professional man lowering himself to below tradesman level...

Oh, you can only use your balls if and when you have the wherewithal's to back your balls up. Unfortunately the Electrical Trainee back door wannabes just don't have those wherewithal's which is the basically whole point of the matter in the first place... lol!!

 

[joe.ninety]

So you are a ''Director'' of a multi function property company and a Professional Chartered Surveyor, and now you are a so called DI. Sorry but i'm having trouble with a professional man lowering himself to below tradesman level...

It's not just that, if I'd spent 30 years buying and doing up properties, I'd expect to be sunning myself in some exotic location with some local talent on tap :ihih:, certainly not doing CU changes and EICRs.

 

[Engineer54]

It's not just that, if I'd spent 30 years buying and doing up properties, I'd expect to be sunning myself in some exotic location with some local talent on tap :ihih:, certainly not doing CU changes and EICRs.

I'd have to agree, that post falls down on so many different levels, that the term ''taken with a pinch of salt'' springs to mind!!! lol!!

 

[Knobhead]

Why did I know this would degenerate in to a farce?

 

[CockneyReject]

Why did I know this would degenerate in to a farce?

Because everything to do with the short course mob on here degenerates into a farce?

 

[Paulgwat]

As someone who is happy to admit they have gone down the Electrical Trainee route I will chime in with my views.


Previously I have taken a lot of the Electrical Trainee bashing on here to be sour grapes on the part of some of the more established guys - having been on the course I now agree with SOME of the concerns raised by members of the forum if the not the way they go about expressing them.


My DI course consisted of 4 individuals, two who had very minimal experience in the electrical world, one who was a solar installer with 20+ years in the electrical / electrical service arena and myself.


It was an eye opening experience to see one of my fellow students trying to divide 12 by 1 WITH a calculator and failing to get the correct result!! That set the tone for the theory part of things with the practical not much better. Another individual had been sold the 2395 for October with zero prior experience - this is clearly farcical and the guy taking the training gave the whole group a reality check on what we should expect to be capable of by the end of our course - I had paid for the 2395 on the basis I would need to gain substantial additional experience before attempting it and would therefore attempt it in the second half of next year or early 2016 and I can't believe the training centre thought anyone with zero prior knowledge or experience would pass the 2395.


The wiring regs course was a bigger group of about 12 or so, this time it was mainly working sparks who from the topics of conversation we're claiming to be working on everything up to HV three phase yet were still initially struggling to gain a pass on the 17th practice papers we did - everyone passed again in the end but some of the supposedly experienced guys only just!


I am still of the opinion that short courses have their place for those with prior technical knowledge or experience but to sell them as a quick fix entry for everyone is clearly not fair to anyone, not least the paying public.


All of the above said my first job in a couple of weeks time once I am signed off by the scam is to look at a house that had a complete rewire about 5 years ago where all of the lighting circuits and the power to an outbuilding are on one RCD and the rest of a large 5 bedroom house is on another, in addition the kitchen MCB trips if you put the kettle and coffee maker on at same time (total load approx 3.4kw). This was completed by a local electrician who is supposedly time served and has been in business for 25 years so maybe it isn't only the Electrical Trainee lot where ability and knowledge can potentially be called into question?


just my 2pence worth


paul

 

[Paulgwat]

It's not just that, if I'd spent 30 years buying and doing up properties, I'd expect to be sunning myself in some exotic location with some local talent on tap :ihih:, certainly not doing CU changes and EICRs.

It is interesting how quickly people are dismissed on this forum if they don't claim to have pulled themselves from the gutter and to be scraping a meagre existence by being an electrician, if you claim to have any kind of qualifications or managerial status in your background it is assumed you must be full of sh1te as otherwise why would you lower yourself to work "on the tools".


I have previously been accused of lying about my educational background on this forum and I am constantly reading posts decrying the death of a once noble profession due to the pollution of Electrical Trainee's, why do you all care so much if you view it that anyone with an education would be demeaning themselves so much by being an electrician?


The CEO of the company I left yesterday made a profit of nearly $100M in the last six months on his stock options in addition to his very very large salary, he is still working 16-18 hours a day and is involved in all elements of the business he runs from the most menial through to the power brooking that comes from running a $20B market listed company. Why does he do it - simply because he enjoys it - not my idea of how to live my life if I had that much money but it is his choice.


We are all different in this life and the choices and motivations we have are personal to us - just because you might feel someone is over qualified should not be a basis to call their integrity and honesty into question.


Paul

 

[tony mc]

All of the above said my first job in a couple of weeks time once I am signed off by the scam is to look at a house that had a complete rewire about 5 years ago where all of the lighting circuits and the power to an outbuilding are on one RCD and the rest of a large 5 bedroom house is on another, in addition the kitchen MCB trips if you put the kettle and coffee maker on at same time (total load approx 3.4kw).

Why wait for the scam to sign you off its a fault that needs sorting especially in the kitchen can't see what being registered with a scam will do for your ability to sort this out !

 

[UNG]

As someone who is happy to admit they have gone down the Electrical Trainee route I will chime in with my views.

Previously I have taken a lot of the Electrical Trainee bashing on here to be sour grapes on the part of some of the more established guys - having been on the course I now agree with SOME of the concerns raised by members of the forum if the not the way they go about expressing them.

So Electrical Trainee bashing is sour grapes on the part of those who have taken the time to get properly trained is it. What is the difference between a "Electrician" and a "Domestic Installer" with the latter they don't even give any credit to fault finding in the title

I am still of the opinion that short courses have their place for those with prior technical knowledge or experience but to sell them as a quick fix entry for everyone is clearly not fair to anyone, not least the paying public.

Please explain what prior technical knowledge or experience would you need or you would deem acceptable to take a short course

All of the above said my first job in a couple of weeks time once I am signed off by the scam is to look at a house that had a complete rewire about 5 years ago where all of the lighting circuits and the power to an outbuilding are on one RCD and the rest of a large 5 bedroom house is on another, in addition the kitchen MCB trips if you put the kettle and coffee maker on at same time (total load approx 3.4kw). This was completed by a local electrician who is supposedly time served and has been in business for 25 years so maybe it isn't only the Electrical Trainee lot where ability and knowledge can potentially be called into question?

just my 2pence worth

paul

Bit light on information is the MCB tripping a recent problem. 5ish years ago would have been in the changover from 16th to 17th edition regs so could be where the wiring issue comes from re RCD's. You are assuming that there have been no alterations to this install since installation


One thing I've noticed Electrical Trainee are very quick to criticise when they find work that has been done by "supposedly time served sparks" with little or no evidence to back it up. No one ever asks to see your qualifications when you turn up on site as you will find out and will probably assume you are the real deal the short course is nothing new it's been around since the 70's and is just a hell of a lot shorter now than it was then

 

[Paulgwat]

All of the above said my first job in a couple of weeks time once I am signed off by the scam is to look at a house that had a complete rewire about 5 years ago where all of the lighting circuits and the power to an outbuilding are on one RCD and the rest of a large 5 bedroom house is on another, in addition the kitchen MCB trips if you put the kettle and coffee maker on at same time (total load approx 3.4kw).

Why wait for the scam to sign you off its a fault that needs sorting especially in the kitchen can't see what being registered with a scam will do for your ability to sort this out !

Because the client wants some work done at the same time which will be notifiable and rather than do things piecemeal she wants it all sorting at once when she is back from her holiday.

It's been happening for 5 years and she only mentioned it to me as it tripped whilst I was there as she was making me a coffee - I obviously told her to be careful up until she went on holiday and I would sort it once she was back.

Good to see that in all of my post the best you could come up with by way of response was a jibe about my pending membership of a CPS, any thoughts or comments on how a supposedly time served sparks in business 25 years could make such a shambles of a simple rewire? Or would that be to the detriment to your noble profession?

Cheers

Paul