Thread made for the snobby stuck up sparks on here

[daiplayer]

This thread is specifically made for the members on here that are only here to shoot down new guys, hurl snide abuse from afar , and basically dont want any new electricians in the world cos they think they are god gift.

Too many times have we seen new members abused and disheartened by these guys .

So heres a specific thread for you all to have a good moan .

 

[ruston]

To be honest you are not going to serve your time on a forum; my mate has just started a basic course level two status, he has been told that when he has completed this course that he will be competent to rewire a house - does he think he can I asked "yes" he replied , Do I think he can ? no because he has worked with me and he is exceptionally bright, but the crux is he does not know what he does not know, so yes the trainers are giving the impression that that they are competent because they have done a basic lighting circuit , a few sockets. wired a 12v relay , qualify to join a scheme . Is it any wonder it comes across as alarming.

 

[Des 56]

Here are few thoughts of my own on the subject

This site is cheaper than the Niceic
Its technical help is free and readilly available
The expertise freely given is, ( as far as the the real world is concerned) way above Niceic tech help lines
The members can become virtual friends in the real sense of the word
Its a forum of opinions as stated by somersetsparks,so we can take or leave the opinions to suit ourselves
After a question is asked then answered,the subject is usually developed into a discussion on that specific issue

Can you have that sort of enlightenment of a scam helpline ?


Asking a question is also an admittance that we either require confirmation, or knowledge, or both

I sometimes read of complaints about questions on threads that contain sarcastic replies,that unforunately is a chance we take

I think.rather than making criticism of the members and mods who have supplied us with their expertise freely,and simply because they may have the future welfare of the trade at heart,it would be better to appreciate the advantages of such a 1st class forum

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[Rockingit]

As others have said, it's more a reflection on peoples frustration with the state of the industry than necessarily the players themselves. The fault lays at the door of the training companies who talk up the product, deliver an abortion and the poor guys and gals that have spent their hard earned redundancies know no different until they get out into the harsh reality, BELIEVING themselves to be the bees knees simply because that's what they've been sold. So when they appear on here 'all a swagger' it's no wonder some are ready to shoot them down in flames, especially when the mass dilution of the industry is pushing everyone out of decent paying work (and part pee, of course).

 

[plugsandsparks]

I think it is a very good forum, probably one of the best for quality information. This i believe is just the very broad nature of an "electricians" job. Its impossible to have the level of expert and current knowledge on all the aspects we get ourselves involved in.
This is where the forum scores for me.

Questions wise - I generally use traditional sources first like manufacturers data and our old friends the BGB and OSG. I think its because not even an attempt at finding out the answer before posting on here winds some up.

Sure there are a few where the cork is in too tight but no different to any other walk of life.

Live and let live for sure, no problem with Electrical Trainee and the like, some i am sure will make excellent sparkies in specific areas and hopefully with time will expand that knowledge.

 

[mountainman]

Snobby stuck-up sparks!
Hmm!

I didn't realise that there was another option...

 

[ruston]

LOl there is , wet plumbers

 

[plugsandsparks]

Ha, i thought electricians were the most arrogant profession until i met IT bods with CCIE and MCSD, goes to another level

 

[ipf]

Snobby stuck-up sparks!
Hmm!

I didn't realise that there was another option...

Yep, £10k for a 4 year course, discounts for decent hands on help.lol.

 

[RogertheBodger]

I don't care if its Electrical Trainee, or Trainees, or Newbies, or DIY'ers or anybody else asking a stupid or annoying Question, They deserve politeness if not respect, most of the time it is given to them because by far the greatest majority of posters on this forum are NORMAL people and they DON'T get involved in slanging matches, bullying, bad manners or ignorant and boring behavior, they don't want to push their bad or abusive experiences on site down anyone else's throat, they don't feel the need to prove how clever and superior they are, they don't feel the need to hurt and upset others just to satisfy their own inner need to be nasty, and they don't say 'well, we're only doing it to protect the Electrical trade.

There is however a small minority who DO get involved in the above and they don't seem to realize that their comments and attitude are every bit as offensive and annoying to the rest of us, as the silly questions of the people they are castigating are to them.

Whatever various arguments there may be, as in the posts of this thread, for the presence of Electrical Trainee etc. on this forum, their questions should still be handled in a polite manner, or for what must be the millionth time - don't answer.

If you find yourself unable to respond in any way other than abusive, then I would suggest that the problem lies with you, with your own attitude, and by the way you are damaging the Forum that you profess to love so much.

 

[Rockingit]

Have to say though, I rate the advice given by the, erm, 'experienced served' members on here (and even after 23yrs of 'being a spark', these guys will always be my mentors, till the day they and I die) as being infinitely better quality than any scheme helpdesk. Tell you what, I'll try the principle on another thread.

 

[UNG]

This thread is specifically made for the members on here that are only here to shoot down new guys, hurl snide abuse from afar , and basically dont want any new electricians in the world cos they think they are god gift.

Too many times have we seen new members abused and disheartened by these guys .

So heres a specific thread for you all to have a good moan .

So you are a snobby spark if you get frustrated at the stupid and basic questions that get asked. If these people didn't get a reply it would probably result in an arrogant response that we are all being B******ds by not responding

I do think some of the abuse as you call it is actually more shock and concern about the basic questions that are asked. If someone comes on here and has been charging a customer to carry out work on their house finds the incoming earth to be inadequate/non existant or some other potentially dangerous fault and asks on here at night what they should do about it I think others have a right to be concerned. We never stop learning and I think we all know that but if you are going to go out there and set up your own business after minimal training you need to be able to identify what is dangerous and how to deal with it. Forums are useful but are not a substitute for proper training and experience.
This is not meant to be elitist or snobby in any way.

Can only agree with the comments made some of the posters on here are way out of there depth so why is it wrong to tell them or is it not politically correct to do so

so its the training providers and 'competent person schemes fault ', not the learner /member

The training providers are giving the trainee confidence that having paid the money they will be fully qualified in 5 weeks and the scams assist them by endorsing this

I also think the City & Guilds should be named and shamed along with them for allowing peripheral exams to be taken without having any core qualification

There is a vast difference between informing someone of how underqualified they are to complete a certain task and abusing them though.

People are fickle things and some might take being told they are underqualified as abuse

I totally agree with what you say Eng, however if I am ever to engage in a conversation with a Electrical Trainee who is in over his head, I will still always try to be as constructive as possible in any reply. We all have to start somewhere but what makes a good spark is knowing your limits, even if getting to know your limits comes from a little gentle persuasion from experienced sparks

Having done the 5 weeks taster course to see if being an electrician is for you move onto the 3 - 5 year training course to complete your training. Thats what I call starting somewhere and completing the training


Call it snobby call it elitist in fact call it what you want there will never be any substitute for FULL and proper training the result will inevitably be fewer posts asking basic and stupid questions and fewer condescending replies result problem solved

 

[D Skelton]

Having done the 5 weeks taster course to see if being an electrician is for you move onto the 3 - 5 year training course to complete your training. Thats what I call starting somewhere and completing the training

Couldn't agree more. That's exactly how I started and exactly what I did

It definitly is only a taster course! I can remember how hungry for knowledge I was when I first finished it! I was just one of the lucky ones to be able to find work and get thrown in at the deep end to get experience from day one. Starting college with prior knowledge and experience was a great help also. Made things far easier to grasp!

 

[Swicade]

I can see a future of many future threads getting fewer and fewer replies tbh.

Many of those 'stuck up snobby sparks' are some of the most knowledgeable sparks on this forum...would be a shame to loose that knowledge should they decide it's just not worth thier time replying anymore.

In my short time here i've learnt alot to add to the too many years in the trade from many,many people here...we're alwaqys on a learning curve.

At times i may be seen as 'stuck up,snobbish' but in truth i'm just another idiot who's lately become more and more disillusioned by the fast track scheme's encourageing people to spend alot of money for (in my own personal opinion) limited training.

Personaly i'll become a lurker for awhile to save rocking the boat....i sincerely hope those knowledgeable guys who used to post and help alot (and in the past few weeks seem to post less and less due to the current feeling of the forum) soon return to dish out thier combined knowledge.

 

[trbod]

Just a question but what's the quickest course to become a qualified spark to level of re wiring a house. I'm not interested in xperience etc I know from my trade of of 14 years that comes with time on the job.

 

[Strima]

There is a wealth of experience and information on this forum. Most questions can be answered with a bit of basic searching and not post yet another thread on RCD tripping/earthing/exporting/cable calcs etc. If fewer repetitive threads are made then maybe there may be fewer posts made by people hacked off with answering the same question time and time again.

As for the homework questions, I get hacked off with people expecting to be given the answers and understand the hostility the OP gets. If someone asks a questions and posts their answers then you'll see they receive a much better response as it shows they're trying to learn.

I'm still learning the ropes within the trade but I can understand where people are coming from, if a thread or post upsets me then I either don't respond, reply calmly without ranting or report it and let the Mods decide.