Unqualified, inexperienced badged "electricians"

[highspark]

How can we put an end to this drivel? Why is there people out there unqualified and inexperienced bluffing their way into work. Taking work from fully qualified time served lads?Theres a couple in my area. Driving round in vans with schemes tatooed all over them. They look the biz - the outfit. But I know they are not electricians. They are chancers bluffing their way through. The 17th Edition minimum requirement to have a schemes backing...its a farce. The problem I have is the customers can't differenciate from a fully qualified. 17th edition, 2391, tech cert nvq3 electrician from a 17th edition short course idiot! It boils my blood

 

[highspark]

a 5 week wonder comes out knowing more about Ohms law, cable selection, voltage drop, testing etc than a guy who`s done 2 years at our local colleges.

Are you having a laugh? If taught properly a 2330 level 3 student will be more than equipped to deal with all of those you have mentioned. At the end of the day the whole course covers all areas of tye industry. Electrical Trainee are solely based on domestic and light commercial work!

 

[thw1965]

Are you having a laugh? If taught properly a 2330 level 3 student will be more than equipped to deal with all of those you have mentioned. At the end of the day the whole course covers all areas of tye industry. Electrical Trainee are solely based on domestic and light commercial work!

Nope Im not having a laugh, thats based on training 3 Modern Apprentices from 2 different colleges over the last 7 years mate

 

[highspark]

Nope Im not having a laugh, thats based on training 3 Modern Apprentices from 2 different colleges over the last 7 years mate

Where are you based? What college have they studied at? Sure you just haven't taken on 3 numpties?

 

[alarm man]

"in depth theory" at colleges, your having a laugh. I have to teach our guys how to do it properly and more importantly what they are testing for and fully to understand the relationship between the various different readings. My point is and always has been that a four year apprenticeship is not the be all and end all. Give these Electrical Trainee a bit of experience and they will be competent electricians. Dont be so elitist and snobbish about it, if you cant take the heat stay out of the kitchen

your wrong mate,when i left school to start college and most who done that will agree here,we all thought it would be playing with cable etc,wrong from school straight back into the classroom,gutted,the theory is boring as,but its the theory that makes you understand about electricity not just how a socket works,granted most never used that theory when out their time,but if needed as you move up the electrical ladder or going alone in contracting,like riding a bike it all comes back..

 

[trev]

Dont be so elitist and snobbish about it, if you cant take the heat stay out of the kitchen

I'm being neither elitist or snobbish mate, when I finished my apprenticeship I was expected and it was demanded of me to be able to work in any sector of our industry. I'll admit that there were things that I struggled with but I'll freely admit sometimes even now after 29 years post qual experience that every now and again I have to stand back and scratch my head and think about what I'm doing and how I'm going to do it.
None of us know it all but like I said earlier, I'd take a time served guy over a Electrical Trainee any time, the reason being they're more likely to have an idea about what is expected of them

 

[Engineer54]

"in depth theory" at colleges, your having a laugh. I have to teach our guys how to do it properly and more importantly what they are testing for and fully to understand the relationship between the various different readings. My point is and always has been that a four year apprenticeship is not the be all and end all. Give these Electrical Trainee a bit of experience and they will be competent electricians. Dont be so elitist and snobbish about it, if you cant take the heat stay out of the kitchen

No idea who your trying to fool here, but it isn't working, your clearly living in cloud cuckoo land!!...
We see evidence of just how qualified these guys are every single day here on the Forum. So what's your excuse for all these Threads started by Electrical Trainee boy's asking all the very basic questions...

No-ones being elitist or snobbish here, were just telling it as it is. 4 year indentured apprenticeships WORK and have always worked since time immemorial, not just in the Electrical industry but in all sections of the technical and trade industries. But here are you, saying it's a load of old clap trap!! haha!!
I suspect you have never been through an apprenticeship either, which is also why you are brandishing this crap about here...

 

[thw1965]

your wrong mate,when i left school to start college and most who done that will agree here,we all thought it would be playing with cable etc,wrong from school straight back into the classroom,gutted,the theory is boring as,but its the theory that makes you understand about electricity not just how a socket works,granted most never used that theory when out their time,but if needed as you move up the electrical ladder or going alone in contracting,like riding a bike it all comes back..

Electrical theory isn`t boring at all if its taught properly.

"Numpties", no they were the best ones i could find in the 2 colleges tbh.

My point is that you give me a 5 week fast course guy for a year and a guy whos done 2 years at college for a year and I`ll turn them both into good sparkies. The issue is experience. Lots of lads are going through college without an apprenticeship and coming out with no experience and they are no better or worse than a Electrical Trainee. i will concede that in industrial work they do have the upper hand but that is often detrimental to domestic work because the level of the finish, from a visual point of view needs to be so much better in domestic and light commercial. What amazes me is that people are griping about not being able to compete with the the very same guys who they are ripping into. If you cant compete your doing something wrong. I have no problem

 

[thw1965]

No idea who your trying to fool here, but it isn't working, your clearly living in cloud cuckoo land!!...
We see evidence of just how qualified these guys are every single day here on the Forum. So what's your excuse for all these Threads started by Electrical Trainee boy's asking all the very basic questions...

No-ones being elitist or snobbish here, were just telling it as it is. 4 year indentured apprenticeships WORK and have always worked since time immemorial, not just in the Electrical industry but in all sections of the technical and trade industries. But here are you, saying it's a load of old clap trap!! haha!!
I suspect you have never been through an apprenticeship either, which is also why you are brandishing this crap about here...

Well your wrong there, and Ive trained a few too. PLEASE read my posts, Im saying that with EXPERIENCE they are as good NOT without experience

 

[trev]

But how about a Electrical Trainee or a newly qualified spark who you could reasonably expect to need no training.
Which one are you going to employ? And how much are you going to pay them?

 

[Andy 7671]

I think I get in now, ..

You are saying someone who goes to college 2 nights a week,gaining no site experience is not a lot different to Electrical Trainee, right OK.

You must be a naturally gifted man, cos I found 236 PT2 science and principles hard work,

Fair go on a level playing field

 

[alarm man]

i will concede that in industrial work they do have the upper hand but that is often detrimental to domestic work because the level of the finish, from a visual point of view needs to be so much better in domestic and light commercial.

are you joking,most domestic cable is hidden,industrial its all on show,theres no hiding in industrial

 

[Engineer54]

Well your wrong there, and Ive trained a few too. PLEASE read my posts, Im saying that with EXPERIENCE they are as good NOT without experience

I'm not the one that's wrong, certainly not in this instance!! I've have been reading what you have been posting, and it just doesn't add up!! Read all about your statement on 4 year Indentured Apprenticeships being a load of clap trap too. As i said before, no idea who your trying to fool here but it certainly isn't going to be me!! ...And it seems not many others here either!!

 

[thw1965]

So now your saying someone out of a modern apprenticeship needs no training? Look tbh whatever i say here is being cherry picked, My point is and always has been that I have no problem competing in the market place with these guys because I have a good reputation built on years of experience and high quality workmanship. If I couldnt compete then I may well feel differently. Modern Apprenticeships are dying, there are a number of reasons for this. Mainly do to over-regulation. ALL I have said is that given a guy whos been through an apprenticeship and a guy whos been through a Electrical Trainee course after a few years experience you`d be hard pressed to tell the diference.
I stand by my comment that the quality of teaching at colleges is letting lads down.
I agree that a 4 year apprentice is going to be more competent than a Electrical Trainee course guy but NOT if he has the experience too. Iwill say one more time its about experience NOT the course you went on. Im not defending the posts that appear here asking how to connect a 2-way light switch, Ive seen a couple today that were laughable. Ive only visited here a few times cos of work loads.

 

[thw1965]

I'm not the one that's wrong, certainly not in this instance!! I've have been reading what you have been posting, and it just doesn't add up!! Read all about your statement on 4 year Indentured Apprenticeships being a load of clap trap too. As i said before, no idea who your trying to fool here but it certainly isn't going to be me!! ...And it seems not many others here either!!

What I said was "This idea that the only way is apprenticeships is out dated clap trap". The key word is ONLY. My point about cherry picking is proven

 

[Engineer54]

What I said was "This idea that the only way is apprenticeships is out dated clap trap". The key word is ONLY. My point about cherry picking is proven

Strange then, that Apprenticeships have been PROVED to work and work well since before you or i were born, and Electrical Trainee training courses have been PROVED not to work!!
The key word here is PROVED!! lol!!