When will you start back working following the lockdown

[telectrix]

unfortunately they'll not change before my phone is cut off, van untaxed and uninsured. direct debits bounced by bank.

 

[Vortigern]

This is the thing @telectrix is the cure worse than the illness. Just been reading studies this morning that suggest there is no difference to infection rate whatever the strategy used. Also the death rate is reckoned per thousand as 1-2. On top of this there are no cases (according to this study) that people who are otherwise healthy died of coronovirus. They did however say the deaths that have occurred with pre-existing conditions while recorded as dying of coronovirus should be rephrased to dying with coronovirus, i.e. not necessarily being the cause of death but rather the final straw.
Given the effects on our economy and the micro economy in yours and mine and others circumstances, i.e. penury and debt etc. what the hell are we supposed to do? Hence I am seriously thinking of working. Albeit in isolated work environments. I feel for you tel and others who are in this place.

 

[Simon47]

I mean is the cure worse than the illness?

That point was raised in the BBC article I linked to a few posts back - scroll down to "How should we interpret the death toll?" about half way down the page and read from there. There's a telling bit that says :
And the tipping point, they say, is a 6.4% decline in the size of the economy - on a par with what happened following the 2008 financial crash.
It would see a loss of three months of life on average across the population because of factors such declining living standards and poorer health care.
I suspect that it won't be long, if we haven't passed it already, before we exceed that shrink in the economy. During the 2008 crash, things didn't stop as suddenly or on such a large scale as they have done recently.
EDIT: The problem with any strategy based on that argument is persuading some parts of the population that "yes, it really is in the best interests of the country as a whole and the people in it that we let this pandemic carry on at a high but manageable rate - and that does mean people will die".

And only last night on the telly, they were pointing out that the old & vulnerable are likely to be told to self isolate until at least September. That's a long time for someone to be stuck at home, bored and lonely without their usual social interactions. I know it won't be that long before my mum starts saying something along the lines of "to hell with that, I'm going shopping and if I catch it I catch it". At 87 she accepts that she's had a good innings, and is tending towards an attitude of "go out happy, not with a long but miserable life".

 

[Zerax]

And... I'm sure I read the other day about 50,000 avoidable cancer deaths caused by the NHS stopping testing/treatment whilst the virus is around ?
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And... aren't Sweden showing a similar infection rate/death rate to us ? but they don't have the draconian segregation/shutdown ??

I've long since argued that as a country, we place far too high a value on life...

 

[Midwest]

And... aren't Sweden showing a similar infection rate/death rate to us ? but they don't have the draconian segregation/shutdown ??

I've long since argued that as a country, we place far too high a value on life...

Only time will tell on that. Looked at some figures, and the US has 152 deaths to 1 million of population, where Sweden has 200 (due to CViD).

This is an interesting interpretation of events. Scroll down to ‘How confirmed cases of coronavirus has spread’.

Coronavirus: Tracking the global outbreak

Key maps and charts explaining how the respiratory virus has spread around the world and how it is being dealt with.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[littlespark]

I’ve been discussing this with my wife this morning.
If I was working in an empty property, on my own, and had all the materials so I don’t have to run off the wholesellers... fine. I would work.
Except my bread and butter is working in domestic, and a lot of my customers are over 70, or have health problems.

I was contacted last week about adding a few sockets on someone’s garage.... not in the house.... I told him I would do it, told him a price and he’s “thinking about it”

Also a job an hours drive away to run a SWA between 2 outbuildings.... waste of a trip when there’s other work to be done in the house itself.

A neighbour asked this morning if I could change their shower pull switch as it was stuck on..... again, told them a price and they’ve not come back.

I have other jobs to go back to, but it’s up to the individual customers.... and they don’t want anyone in the houses until lockdown is over..... whenever that may be

 

[Doomed]

COVID-19 Data Explorer

Explore global data on COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

Check here for data without the 'spin'

 

[Vortigern]

So basically the data says the data cannot be relied upon...which begs the question why say anything. What is the point of spending no doubt thousands and thousands on a report that says it is not a report. Lies lies and damn corona statistics.

 

[Zerax]

Check here for data without the 'spin'

Not sure I'd read too much into those figures... for example Vietnam has not declared any deaths due to Covid-19 ??

Also... how do we know if someone dies solely because of Covid-19 or they happened to have had the virus when they died.

I think the only sensible way to understand the toll is to look at the increase in the 'normal' death rate... although this will include people that have died of other causes, but were not treated due to the Covid-19 distraction.

There is no easy way...

 

[mattg4321]

This is worth a watch

click here

 

[sparksfly]

Well its paperwork for me at the mo ....I am so behind. I have carried out the odd urgent domestic job, with full PPE preferring to self-isolate gloves, wash them and reuse....however, If my masks run out I'll have to double up on scarfs, neck gaiters or adapt pants on my face!!
When do I go back ?....when the phone starts ringing of course

 

[Sisyphus]

I never stopped working ~S~

 

[littlespark]

I’m going to look at a job this morning. Work in a garage for sockets and lights. I don’t know yet if there’s power already and if there’s an rcd present. There is further work to do in the house, but that can wait.

Looks like Dan has been tampering again with the forum... always improving but it looks like I’ve lost my “smiley face wearing mask” avatar.. Back to my coffee cup




Ice cream vans going round the streets. Essential worker?

Discuss

 

[davesparks]

Ice cream vans going round the streets. Essential worker?

Discuss

There is still no restriction on non-essential workers.
Whilst an ice cream van doesn't appear to be a sensible thing at the moment, it is technically a takeaway food service I guess and as long as people stand 2m apart in the queue it could be safe.

 

[Andy78]

There is still no restriction on non-essential workers.
Whilst an ice cream van doesn't appear to be a sensible thing at the moment, it is technically a takeaway food service I guess and as long as people stand 2m apart in the queue it could be safe.

Any takeaway service is not allowed to take orders at the counter. All orders should be remotely arranged ie by telephone. Same goes for any wholesalers offering collection services.