Who will you vote for?

[Octopus]

The thought of 4 million extra people on the dole scares the bejebuz out of me. Mr Nissan has already said that if we leave the EU he's off like a dirty shirt, that's 100,000 jobs gone in the north east overnight.

Hum... would Mr Honda have just announced a large investment in Swindon if they thought we were about to leave the EU??

Whats odd about the Nissan stance, is that most of the cars exported from the UK, don't go to Europe, some go to Japan - go figure!

 

[trev]

And the ones which do go to Europe don't get charged any duty or vat. We leave and they do, thus making Nissan vehicles unaffordable in the Eurozone. Of course they'll bugger off somewhere more beneficial to their business

 

[Octopus]

And the ones which do go to Europe don't get charged any duty or vat. We leave and they do, thus making Nissan vehicles unaffordable in the Eurozone. Of course they'll bugger off somewhere more beneficial to their business

Like France? Where nobody in their right minds sets a business??

The EU could try and invoke tarriffs etc but we would simply reciprocate and as we IMPORT far more from the EU than export to it what would be the gain to the EU.

The EU "ideals" are finished IMHO. The emerging markets are where we all need to be, so trade with the EU is OK, but to be too reliant would be stupid. A bit like you committing 75% of your time to 1 builder - you wouldn't do it.

In 50 years time the EU with be poorer than it is now and the emerging markets will be the wealthy one.

In fact as it stands, with the Chinese currency "pegged" to the US dollar they get an "unfair" advantage over all of the rest of the world.

The Chinese have massive currency reserves and thus their currency, if it were "floating" on the world money markets, would appreciate massively, immediately making all their exports far more expensive and thus allowing other countries and companies to compete. In fact there could be a company (or companies) down the road from you Trev that may benefit immediately.

The world needs to be wary of China as they have little or no regard for copyright or patent.

The world is not about the EU - we better not forget that - give the French their way and we would put up baricades, and bar all imports - and just look at how "well" the French economy is doing! They are "protected" by the EU and their oit of date working rights - which is doing them no end of harm.

 

[trev]

I know all that stuff Clive but as it stands at present the EU is a formidable economic power, how long that will go on is a matter of huge conjecture.
The EU would invoke tariffs and we could do the same but if it makes British goods more expensive than French or German or Romanian equivalents then who is going to lose?
We need an exit plan because, like you, I can see the whole thing crashing down around our ears but for the time being we need to be inside the tent p!$$ing out rather than outside and trying to p!$$ in

 

[Octopus]

I know all that stuff Clive but as it stands at present the EU is a formidable economic power, how long that will go on is a matter of huge conjecture.
The EU would invoke tariffs and we could do the same but if it makes British goods more expensive than French or German or Romanian equivalents then who is going to lose?
We need an exit plan because, like you, I can see the whole thing crashing down around our ears but for the time being we need to be inside the tent p!$$ing out rather than outside and trying to p!$$ in

If it goes to a vote, I suspect the outcome will be very similar to the Scotish independence vote. i.e. a vote to stay in.

The morons on Brusselles need a lesson in what a monster they have created. They have NO idea about anything outside Brusselles or Strasbourg, let alone on whats going on in the UK, Malta, or Greece or even Brazil or in India.

They are no different to all the morons who inhabit Westminster IMHO.

None of them have a chuffing clue.

 

[telectrix]

we managed perfectly well without the eu for centuries.we can do without them now. as clive said, if the froggies want to cut off their noses to spite their 2 faces, then so be it.

 

[Guest77]

Oh no, Damn

 

[UNG]

For any of you thinking of voting for Ukip,remember pre war Germany where the people were without hope and had been humiliated
They turned their heads to a very dangerous and in hindsight foolish extreem party,don't wish or assist the same to happen here

The disillusioned electorate who have succumbed to the anti EU propaganda that has been dished out by the powerful and the wealthy

We could be suckered into a coalition of fear and English nationalism,remember the anti EU majority is mainly English rather than British based and this election is reflecting that nationalism

There will be sadness and conflict in this country if this Ukip fever is not put out soon,use your x sensibly and do not vote for the same type of failures of the past

That rules Labour out of the running then

As an outsider looking in. Would i be right in thinking if a tory/ukip gov get in, then scotland will more than likely have a rerun of the referendum and go independent.

I hope they do with the significantly oil prices and scotch whisky sales down the economics probably aren't as rosy now for independence

Usually accidents. A pack of toffs on horseback with a shedload of dogs going out with the intention of ripping an animal to shreds is hardly accidental.

Snp for me.
as I've stated before scottish labour will be lucky if they get a seat in scotland after last years performance.
if brown ,darling and Jim Murphy had kept out of the whole devo thing they might have had a chance but they couldn't keep their nose out.
ive voted labour most of my life and just think they do not represent the working man as they were meant to( if they ever did is a story for another time).
as for ukip.... Watch v for vendetta.

That Electricians are a bunch of Right Wing Fascists?!

And I always thought the 'Working Class' were Socialists at heart.

A bit of stereotyping there

What's so wrong about fairness?

Nothing is wrong with it just some people have different interpretations of it

 

[Octopus]

Courtesey of the BBC

"
[h=4]10. Posted by Can You Hear Me Mother[/h] on 12 minutes ago Ed Balls is the world's most hypocritical man.

Labour ran up a massive debt and yet he blames the coalition for not getting rid of it.

It's like setting fire to a building and then blaming the Fire Brigade for not putting it out fast enough."

Enough said.

Labour haven't got a clue about ANYTHING, expecially all the current "crop" of career politicians.

 

[Engineer54]

we managed perfectly well without the eu for centuries.we can do without them now. as clive said, if the froggies want to cut off their noses to spite their 2 faces, then so be it.

That was then, ...this is the NOW!!

Pulling out of the EU is not going to be an easy operation, and can easily lead to plummeting the UK into it's own recession. One things for absolute sure, unemployment will literally skyrocket, as even more manufactures pull out of the UK heading for Eastern European countries. I doubt you'll find a single UK exporting business that will support leaving the EU. The smaller companies will either need to relocate or far more likely, go to the wall.

The UK is well and truly integrated in the EU, just pulling out now, will cause pandemonium that will have far reaching effects that aren't going to be addressed in the short or medium term....

 

[Leesparkykent]

Sat in the greasy spoon this morning and in walks Farage and comes and sits on the table opposite.

 

[trev]

I'd have asked him to move if he sat at my table.

 

[Leesparkykent]

I'd have asked him to move if he sat at my table.

Just edited my post, he sat on the table opposite.

 

[UNG]

Creeping privatisation to schools and hospitals.

Constant cuts to the police and forces.

Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class. As someone once said to me; "it's all about the benjamins".

All of labours new hospitals were built by private companies with the mortgage payments now crippling some of the hospital trusts so privatisation of the NHS is not only a Tory issue

And you know the problem with socialism is that one day the money will run out.

Labour managed to take in 3 quid and spend 4 quid during its term in government could never quite work out how long they could do that for

I don't know what country you were living in, or whether you were walking around with your eyes closed shut and ear plugs permanently in....

At times you have selective memory block

The real boom and Bust era was during the Tory parties Rule... There were THREE boom and busts during Empress Maggies and Sly Majors terms...The last one finished them!!

Labour have always struggled to create boom the second half of the seventies was all bust for them with their wage restraint

Debt and Taxes have risen above that of the outgoing government by the end their term, every time the Tories have been in power. You really do need to do some homework, and not rely on what comes out of the Tory propaganda rags

Narrow mindedness works both ways I have no doubt the Labour rags fill you full of similar miss information

Just a little reminder of Cameron's whiteboard
"If we don't meet these promises. In 5 years time, kick us out"
How many have been kept?

Didn't Labour have a similar pledge card that failed as well

That was then, ...this is the NOW!!

Pulling out of the EU is not going to be an easy operation, and can easily lead to plummeting the UK into it's own recession. One things for absolute sure, unemployment will literally skyrocket, as even more manufactures pull out of the UK heading for Eastern European countries. I doubt you'll find a single UK exporting business that will support leaving the EU. The smaller companies will either need to relocate or far more likely, go to the wall.

The UK is well and truly integrated in the EU, just pulling out now, will cause pandemonium that will have far reaching effects that aren't going to be addressed in the short or medium term....

I totally agree with you it will give Europe the shake up it needs, the EU now is just a mindless juggernaut of unneeded legislation, regulation and taxation that needs reigning in. If the UK do pull out of Europe it would be interesting to see where the EU will find the money to avoid bankrupcy as the loss of the UK's contributions would create a major black hole in the EU budget

 

[telectrix]

All of labours new hospitals were built by private companies with the mortgage payments now crippling some of the hospital trusts so privatisation of the NHS is not only a Tory issue



Labour managed to take in 3 quid and spend 4 quid during its term in government could never quite work out how long they could do that for



At times you have selective memory block



Labour have always struggled to create boom the second half of the seventies was all bust for them with their wage restraint



Narrow mindedness works both ways I have no doubt the Labour rags fill you full of similar miss information



Didn't Labour have a similar pledge card that failed as well



I totally agree with you it will give Europe the shake up it needs, the EU now is just a mindless juggernaut of unneeded legislation, regulation and taxation that needs reigning in. If the UK do pull out of Europe it would be interesting to see where the EU will find the money to avoid bankrupcy as the loss of the UK's contributions would create a major black hole in the EU budget

few nails hit on heads there , UNG. also proves that the pie eaters have brains. :49:
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