Your going to laugh lads!!!!!!! NVQ3 - Domestic!!!!!

[Electricalserv]

I love this little statement from Napit and this is going to ruffle a few feathers.

For those choosing the qualification route, the Level 3 NVQ Certificate in Installing, Testing and Ensuring Compliance of Electrical Installation Work in Dwellings should be available from the 1st January 2012 as the minimum qualification level for Qualified Supervisors responsible for electrical work carried out in domestic properties which comes under Part P of the Building Regulations (for England and Wales).


My bold!!!!

NVQ3 - for domestic premises will be available from 2012.

Looks like the City & Guilds NVQ3 now has a little sister.

 

[Engineer54]

Alex the NVQ3 City & Guilds will stay the same. it wiull be a seperate qualification for domestic only.


City & Guilds will keep the original one that covers all sectors

Ands that's the whole point of this debate!! ...There is, and should not be any classification or difference between electricians. That's a slippery road you won't ever recover from...

 

[Electricalserv]

Ands that's the whole point of this debate!! ...There is, and should not be any classification or difference between electricians. That's a slippery road you won't ever recover from...

Listen some JIB guys always say domestic sparks aren't electricians the industry needs tightening up blah blah blah. Industry failing us.


Well this is your industry tightening up the domestic sector. (the one effected by 5 day wonders) What do you want them to do? They've sat up and acted and the JIB are on the domestic scene now!!!


They are setting up a qualification to prove your competency in domestic installation!!

 

[Engineer54]

Think i've stated what needs to be done!! ...A minimum standard for ALL electricians, if that's an NVQ3 or it's equivalent, ...so be it!! It will still affect your 5 day wonders as you put it... Just stop this division lark, because down the road some, it will bite you, and you can take that to the bank!! But it'll be too late then...

 

[alarm man]

Listen some JIB guys always say domestic sparks aren't electricians the industry needs tightening up blah blah blah. Industry failing us.


Well this is your industry tightening up the domestic sector. (the one effected by 5 day wonders) What do you want them to do? They've sat up and acted and the JIB are on the domestic scene now!!!


They are setting up a qualification to prove your competency in domestic installation!!

i worked with jib sparks when i was a yougin,they could be doing a new build housing estate one day,production lines the next,ships the day after,being pigeon holed in one area is no good for any spark,its all sparky work

 

[AP Electrical]

Alex the NVQ3 City & Guilds will stay the same. it wiull be a seperate qualification for domestic only.


City & Guilds will keep the original one that covers all sectors

You can never tell were c&g are involved!!!!!, also I bet the last pound in my pocket a lower tech cert is to follow a domestic NVQ3 - if you think about it a lot of 2330 is 3phase and motors so they could get rid of that - then condense the h&s down so applicable to domestic, before you know it the 'bodies' will be offering a three week intensive tech cert for yep £1000..... If I was one of the 'bodies' thats what i'd be doing.

 

[Electricalserv]

AM you can't look past that alot of sparks do 1 sector and thats it. I was always told by my tutors. Find ONE that you're good at and stick at it.

Its ok being a jack of all sectors and a master of none.

 

[Electricalserv]

You can never tell were c&g are involved!!!!!, also I bet the last pound in my pocket a lower tech cert is to follow a domestic NVQ3 - if you think about it a lot of 2330 is 3phase and motors so they could get rid of that - then condense the h&s down so applicable to domestic, before you know it the 'bodies' will be offering a three week intensive tech cert for yep £1000..... If I was one of the 'bodies' thats what i'd be doing.

Probably right mate. The JIB won't accept it though. I really can't believe some users are objecting the idea after the crap we've had to put up with from the domestic installers 5 day wonders. This is a step in the right direction and excellent news for the qualified experienced domestic electricians with tech certs 17th edition & 2391 but without an NVQ3. Its exactly what I 've been after!

 

[alarm man]

Its ok being a jack of all sectors and a master of none.

id call it experience,being called a domestic sounds like a cook/housekeeper..a master domestic spark,i'll have to look that one up..

 

[Electricalserv]

id call it experience,being called a domestic sounds like a cook/housekeeper..a master domestic spark,i'll have to look that one up..

AM like it or not the industry has set a standard for domestic sparks that hopefully will keep 5 day wonders out and get better rates for FULLY QUALIFIED ASSESSED ELECTRICIANS working in the domestic sector!

 

[pennywise]

NVQ's aren't exactly the most stringent qualification around

 

[ezzzekiel]

reading through the jib draft it appears the same hoops will need to be jumped through to gain the domestic nvq. and there are pros and cons on both sides, the Electrical Trainee will be a thing of the past and so driving up standards also there are many firms who only work domestic so their apprentices cannot complete a jib approved as they dont cover the required work but the new qual will allow them the apprentiship in there sector.

the bad it divides the industry into them and us, chances are it will be used to class the Electrical Trainee as qualified in the same ammount of time.

the only real good point is that it has been noted that somethings need to be changed unfortunately like everything else in this country it will be messed up.

 

[Engineer54]

Listen some JIB guys always say domestic sparks aren't electricians the industry needs tightening up blah blah blah. Industry failing us.


Well this is your industry tightening up the domestic sector. (the one effected by 5 day wonders) What do you want them to do? They've sat up and acted and the JIB are on the domestic scene now!!!


They are setting up a qualification to prove your competency in domestic installation!!

Further,

.....who gives a monkeys what other sparks say, be they JIB or whatever!! I can remember in my day some electricians knocking ''house bashers'', ... did it affect those that were working on the massive house building of that time, ...No of course not!!

The thing is, that your no doing anyone any favors by this singling out one particular sector of our industry, and giving it it's own qualification. That Qualification is going to be useless for the rest of the industry, it's just going to end up, yet another meaningless qualification to hold.....

 

[Electricalserv]

EZZ if you're good enough you will pass the NVQ3 domestic without needing to install tray baskets and metal trunking!

 

[baldsparkies]

I tried to get an apprenticeship when I was at college (2000/2001) No one would take me on as I was too old (31). I taught myself, couldn't finish college with no-one to compile my dossier. I have 2391 and a gold JIB card, work a lot on High Speed Routes, (Highways) and Transmission Sites (Digital TV and Radio transmitter installation) and must be doing something right as our client requests me to lead work teams. Can I call myself an electrician?

And thats my whole point.
You SHOULD have been able to cover an apprentiship, but through no fault of your own you couldn't. Now your wide open to the money grabbers and scheme providers whims.

AS an example I am 58 years old, started my apprentiship in 1970 have a jib gold approved electrician card, a platinum electrical site managers card 236 part 1 and 2, 2391 leval 3 in inspection and testing, leval 3 16th and 17th editions along with ECS health and safety assesments. I finished my apprentiship in 1974. and I have been a qualified supervisor for over 10 years. There was no NVQ 3 in 1974, so I dont have one, I have been a qualified electrician since 1974 thats a long time commercial industrial domestic its all there. But I dont and would have had no reason to have an NVQ 3 so here I am 2011 58 years old without an NVQ3 suddenly I'm not qualified or competant, sorry but the whole thing is a money spinning farce. Yes get rid of the cowboys but now you and I are wide open to these money grabbers holding us to ransom and saying unless you pay us and cover this course, we wont accept your a qualified electrician. Its a joke.
We work hard over the years covering all kinds of courses and exams, and then a bunch of ****s sit around a table and suddenly decide that all our hard work means jack sh#t. its not on. Off soapbox with apoligies for ranting.

 

[Electricalserv]

Further,

.....who gives a monkeys what other sparks say, be they JIB or whatever!! I can remember in my day some electricians knocking ''house bashers'', ... did it affect those that were working on the massive house building of that time, ...No of course not!!

The thing is, that your no doing anyone any favors by this singling out one particular sector of our industry, and giving it it's own qualification. That Qualification is going to be useless for the rest of the industry, it's just going to end up, yet another meaningless qualification to hold.....

Not for lads wanting to be a competent domestic installer