Your going to laugh lads!!!!!!! NVQ3 - Domestic!!!!!

[Electricalserv]

I love this little statement from Napit and this is going to ruffle a few feathers.

For those choosing the qualification route, the Level 3 NVQ Certificate in Installing, Testing and Ensuring Compliance of Electrical Installation Work in Dwellings should be available from the 1st January 2012 as the minimum qualification level for Qualified Supervisors responsible for electrical work carried out in domestic properties which comes under Part P of the Building Regulations (for England and Wales).


My bold!!!!

NVQ3 - for domestic premises will be available from 2012.

Looks like the City & Guilds NVQ3 now has a little sister.

 

[Electricalserv]

And thats my whole point.
You SHOULD have been able to cover an apprentiship, but through no fault of your own you couldn't. Now your wide open to the money grabbers and scheme providers whims.

AS an example I am 58 years old, started my apprentiship in 1970 have a jib gold approved electrician card, a platinum electrical site managers card 236 part 1 and 2, 2391 leval 3 in inspection and testing, leval 3 16th and 17th editions along with ECS health and safety assesments. I finished my apprentiship in 1974. and I have been a qualified supervisor for over 10 years. There was no NVQ 3 in 1974, so I dont have one, I have been a qualified electrician since 1974 thats a long time commercial industrial domestic its all there. But I dont and would have had no reason to have an NVQ 3 so here I am 2011 58 years old without an NVQ3 suddenly I'm not qualified or competant, sorry but the whole thing is a money spinning farce. Yes get rid of the cowboys but now you and I are wide open to these money grabbers holding us to ransom and saying unless you pay us and cover this course, we wont accept your a qualified electrician. Its a joke.

And leval 0 in spelling lol oj E54. You just made me laugh listing all thyem high quals with that spelling!

 

[alarm man]

And leval 0 in spelling lol oj E54. You just made me laugh listing all thyem high quals with that spelling!

youngin,dont drink if you cant handle it..

 

[Spudnik]

And leval 0 in spelling lol oj E54. You just made me laugh listing all thyem high quals with that spelling!

Really??

 

[Electricalserv]

Ahh wheres the banter on this forum!!! I post a thread on the Haye fight and it gets the odd reply. You post anything non electrical...The chit chat area and nobody wants to know. You try for some banter and everyone is serious. Lighten up everyone!

 

[AP Electrical]

And thats my whole point.
You SHOULD have been able to cover an apprentiship, but through no fault of your own you couldn't. Now your wide open to the money grabbers and scheme providers whims.

AS an example I am 58 years old, started my apprentiship in 1970 have a jib gold approved electrician card, a platinum electrical site managers card 236 part 1 and 2, 2391 leval 3 in inspection and testing, leval 3 16th and 17th editions along with ECS health and safety assesments. I finished my apprentiship in 1974. and I have been a qualified supervisor for over 10 years. There was no NVQ 3 in 1974, so I dont have one, I have been a qualified electrician since 1974 thats a long time commercial industrial domestic its all there. But I dont and would have had no reason to have an NVQ 3 so here I am 2011 58 years old without an NVQ3 suddenly I'm not qualified or competant, sorry but the whole thing is a money spinning farce. Yes get rid of the cowboys but now you and I are wide open to these money grabbers holding us to ransom and saying unless you pay us and cover this course, we wont accept your a qualified electrician. Its a joke.

It's a sad fact money rules, part p generates millions for the bodies involved and I dont think for one min there going to let that go!!!, be intrested to see how many cowboy sparks were prosecuted last year for not being registered. look at myhammer theres decoraters pricing electrical work up!!!, domestic nvq or not there will always be cowboys and punters who hire them - its not just about being in the schemes its about the gov enforcing the law which there not prepared to do imo.

 

[baldsparkies]

And leval 0 in spelling lol oj E54. You just made me laugh listing all thyem high quals with that spelling!

Sorry bud, I become Dyslexic when I'm mad, plus i forgot to use spell check, and dont say you spelt thyem like that on purpose cus we all know your lying lol.

 

[Big n Daft]

"Its ok being a jack of all sectors and a master of none."

Personally I dont know one industrial/commercial spark that cant take on a rewire and make a good job of it. What happens if the tables are turned?

When I went to college they taught you the basics first ie. how to wire a house. Then moved on to controls and such like.
The parasites have turned the 'domestic installer' into a trade so they can make money, to me its just a part qualified sparks. I'm not try to get the rise, just how I see it having worked with a "domestic installer" who thought he was gods gift, he soon found otherwise.
Engineer 54 is bang on the money. The electrical industry has gone to the dogs and it cant be reversed, so you just have to go with the flow and use the system as best you can.
Should have been a joiner!!!!

 

[Electricalserv]

Sorry bud, I become Dyslexic when I'm mad, plus i forgot to use spell check, and dont say you spelt thyem like that on purpose cus we all know your lying lol.

No thyem was spelt like that because my slight of hand wasn't good enough to move from t -h in a quick manner as y lies between them!!!

 

[alarm man]

es,time for bed,you'll never get for school in the morning..nite nite,sleep tight..

 

[Des 56]

Domestic electrical installation cant be regulated successfully,thats the bottom line

Its useles having argument about this sector of an electricians trade
It is and was a free for all to whoever thinks they can do it,all singiung all dancing sparks,domestic installers.it alters nothing,


part p changed nothing and changed part p will also change nothing
It was never about safety and time has shown that to be true

It is and has been a working tax on the legitamate spark and thats all it can ever be
At least it has been very successfull in transporting money out of our pockets to any vested interested parties,nothing more, nothing less

 

[Engineer54]

Not for lads wanting to be a competent domestic installer

There is no such animal, that term has been fabricated by the scheme providers and others for there own money spinning purposes. You are an Electrician, ...Full Stop!!!

What these 5 day wonders maybe called, ....could possibly well be called ''domestic installers'' After all they are the ones the scam providers have gone out of there way to facilitate there numbers, by giving them some official recognition and creedence!!!

 

[Dcf]

I've just done a 17th course and got the impression if you didn't know any of this stuff before u got in that classroom you shouldnt even b sparking.basic stuff reallyThe problem now is that u have a whole industry piggybacked onto ours that has got to get it's money from somewhere.Ie all of usNeed more revenue? Change the goal postsI'm all for the raising of standards throughout the trade thoughI've worked with commercial sparks who I would not trust to wire a plugI've also worked with guys who mainly did domestic, but were vastly experienced in all aspects of the trade who left full time commercial boys in the dustThe point being, a broad range of experience is transferrable to other sectors of the trade let's not try to limit that eh?

 

[Spudnik]

Well i think we could be going round in circles forever.

Until the 'official' word comes from the powers that be, it will all just be speculation.

 

[Big n Daft]

And thats my whole point.
You SHOULD have been able to cover an apprentiship, but through no fault of your own you couldn't. Now your wide open to the money grabbers and scheme providers whims.

AS an example I am 58 years old, started my apprentiship in 1970 have a jib gold approved electrician card, a platinum electrical site managers card 236 part 1 and 2, 2391 leval 3 in inspection and testing, leval 3 16th and 17th editions along with ECS health and safety assesments. I finished my apprentiship in 1974. and I have been a qualified supervisor for over 10 years. There was no NVQ 3 in 1974, so I dont have one, I have been a qualified electrician since 1974 thats a long time commercial industrial domestic its all there. But I dont and would have had no reason to have an NVQ 3 so here I am 2011 58 years old without an NVQ3 suddenly I'm not qualified or competant, sorry but the whole thing is a money spinning farce. Yes get rid of the cowboys but now you and I are wide open to these money grabbers holding us to ransom and saying unless you pay us and cover this course, we wont accept your a qualified electrician. Its a joke.
We work hard over the years covering all kinds of courses and exams, and then a bunch of ****s sit around a table and suddenly decide that all our hard work means jack sh#t. its not on. Off soapbox with apoligies for ranting.

Bravo:hurray:
Thats whats wrong with the industry in one rant.
Read that all you "sparks" that have come into the trade by means other than the apprenticed route and you can see why the old boys get cheesed off.
Tell me I cant work on a house because I'm not qualified:svengo:, take a hike.

 

[lee72]

Should have been a joiner!!!!

would you be a domestic joiner or commercial... first fix or second fix.. site or bench ???? imo if you cant do all your not a joiner !!!... ... just a little joke lads..
to lighten the mood !! arty3: