100,000 new sparkies

[ricardo123]

I was reading somewhere a month or so ago that currently this year alone 100,000 new sparkies will be trained up. 95% of those will be trained on the short courses , i.e. the 4-8 week courses, the other 5% being apprentices or those completing NVQ's etc. Does this spell the end for Domestic Installers, same thing has been happening with Driving Instructing, .i.e. its become very hard to make a living from it(I mean purely Domestic Installers here). Any comments anyone?

 

[Adam W]

there's no money in electrical work. I don't know why anyone who isn't stuck down this crappy path would want to do it.

You're not "stuck in it" though. If you don't like it, change career.

 

[rmc86uk]

spoke to a guy at the local college said only about 5% of students stay as sparks most go on to do other thngs cctv alarms ect

The company I started out with used to do Electrics, CCTV, Data, Fire Alarms, PAT and now you get specialised trades in them aspects.

 

[ipf]

So what's the difference between doing an electrical apprenticeship when you're 25 instead of 20? And who is going to work behind the bars if all the 20 year olds are busy training for "jobs with substance"?

As I said, no problem with your first question.
There will always be students after part time work but also there have always been menial jobs for the general public. The big difference these days, obviously, is the lack of opportunity for school leavers to find skilled work, the drastic change in industrial circumstances being, IMO, the greatest contributor.

 

[Adam W]

As I said, no problem with your first question.
There will always be students after part time work but also there have always been menial jobs for the general public. The big difference these days, obviously, is the lack of opportunity for school leavers to find skilled work, the drastic change in industrial circumstances being, IMO, the greatest contributor.

So how do you suppose anyone is to adapt if the ladder is pulled up once you get to 20 years of age? Is nobody allowed to better them selves any more and the only trade available should be whatever your dad did, like in the 'good old days'? If only school leavers are allowed to train as electricians what will happen when some inevitably leave the trade?

 

[Popski]

Get someone to wire a 3 light lighting circuit two wayed with an intermediate all to be done in pyro. Then a motor circuit in galv conduit with stop start and inch buttons along with limit and emergency stops. then do a full test. The person who does it right the first time set them on as they will know what they are doing and would be worth the money you pay them.

 

[Adam W]

Get someone to wire a 3 light lighting circuit two wayed with an intermediate all to be done in pyro. Then a motor circuit in galv conduit with stop start and inch buttons along with limit and emergency stops. then do a full test. The person who does it right the first time set them on as they will know what they are doing and would be worth the money you pay them.

Didn't most of that used to be in the AM2?

 

[Popski]

Yes I belive so Adam but trouble is once they are on site and qualified what I call proper electrical work is lost on the vast majority

 

[ipf]

So how do you suppose anyone is to adapt if the ladder is pulled up once you get to 20 years of age? Is nobody allowed to better them selves any more and the only trade available should be whatever your dad did, like in the 'good old days'? If only school leavers are allowed to train as electricians what will happen when some inevitably leave the trade?

As I said..............No problem with the first question,,,,yeah? If anybody wants to train properly they can do it at 55 years of age, for all I care, as long as it's done correctly

 

[Adam W]

As I said..............No problem with the first question,,,,yeah? If anybody wants to train properly they can do it at 55 years of age, for all I care, as long as it's done correctly

So... What was your point?
I was replying to post #50 where this was said:

If you didnt get into an apprenticeship before you were 20 years old then as far as Im concerned you missed the boat, it sailed without you. .:boat:


No ammount of courses, fluffing or bluffing or 1000 word posts will make you an equal in my eyes.

Boydy :shocked3:

 

[Popski]

The main problem these days is that with job costing being so tight as well as developers wanting more done in less time you just hav'nt got the time to spend with inexperienced staff. We need good young people that have done a 3 to 4 year aprenticship. But I've found that kids with the right calibre to do the job are told that University is the way forward and don't want to get their hands mucky. So what are we left with...school leavers that could not give a ---- at school and treat work in the same casual manner

 

[Adam W]

That's pretty much what I was told at school - I was told if I didn't try hard enough I "might as well drop out of school and go and work on a building site". As I said I have done some crumby call centre jobs for not much more than minimum wage; interestingly a lot of other people doing the same job had degrees.

It seems to be a problem to some people that if you went into a trade after making an informed decision you get written off as having "missed the boat".

 

[ipf]

So... What was your point?
I was replying to post #50 where this was said:

Just commenting on your points comparing taxi drivers with time served tradesmen. among other things. That post has nothing to do with it. If you want to better yourself and 'qualify' properly, as it seems you have done, fair enough, good luck. If you want to waste your time and money doing it fast track, it's up to you. If you want to sit on your backside and expect things put on a plate......eat what's given.

 

[11kstanton]

the electrical industry needs a big time shape up to a standard that will mean cowboys and plastic sparky courses will only be able to carry out something menial like P.A.T. The only thing is for some reason the electrical trade is not taken seriously enough. If only we could be taken seriously enough as gas fitters. The public and commercial industry need educating how dangerous electricity is in the worst case scenario to benefit us all, gas fitters have been creaming it? why havent we?

 

[Popski]

I have no problem with an older person changing careers but I dont know how an older person can live on an apprentice pay rates for three or four years not to mention the gradual rise in rates untill they are fully qualified, not in this day and age.


I baulk at the thought of the number of deaths that could be caused by "15 week wonders", and the amount of people the may be ripped off by so called training companies

 

[ipf]

I have no problem with an older person changing careers but I dont know how an older person can live on an apprentice pay rates for three or four years not to mention the gradual rise in rates untill they are fully qualified, not in this day and age.


I baulk at the thought of the number of deaths that could be caused by "15 week wonders", and the amount of people the may be ripped off by so called training companies

15 weeks? More like 15 days , at present.