The trade has been diluted in these Part P years to become an add on, quick fix badge, for poorly trained persons playing with electrics
This has been pointed it to me by Engineer54 regarding a 17 day 5 week course. I did not know (and will have a look another time) that this existed. Someone else has suggested (but i’m running out of time so can’t go back to look) that NAPIT (i think) do their own testing course over and over until you pass. I (slightly arrogantly) already had a dim view on NAPIT which is why I wonder why anyone that knows there onions would choose to enroll with them other than it being an “easy way in”
Napit may very well do their own testing course and it may very well be a sham,they may pay lip service only to competence in testing,(that is possibly very untrue and would only be for time served experienced electricians already qualified as such)
It is however,whether the sham be true or untrue,one requirement that the Niceic does not have.neither do the Niceic require formal electrical qualifications,(again something that Napit, at the minimum,at least pay lip service to that need)
It may be the case that historically,it was the Niceic who instigated the formation, with City and guilds, for the 2391 to come into existence,it is also the case that the Niceic will enroll someone as an Approved Contractor with a Qualifying supervisor who can demonstrate some ability to test installations,but they do not require the 2391 to become the QS
However,onions or no onions,I understand it is a requirement of Napit that a person holds a testing qualification,the sham Napit 2391 fills the hole where this is not so
Do you think it is reasonable to support individual competence
I really want to answer this but wasn’t sure i understand where you are going with it? we should all support individual competence (The ability to do something successfully or efficiently) Part P does not require competent individuals? Part P is an electrical safety law of the Building Regulations so it requires compliance, which is where The regulatory bodies come in?
Then let me expand on my previous post
The Niceic permit the system of Qualifying supervisor,I know because I did the job in my employed years
The QS system has been made the basis for Niceic companies to operate in the Domestic sector
A sole trader domestic installer is deemed to be the Qualifying supervisor of his own company,he is accepted into the Niceic with the bare minimum or sometimes no electrical qualification, other than perhaps the current edition of IEE regulations
So we have many enterprises with a QS and very little if any electrical training,this enterprise then employs A N Others to also carry out electrical installation
These A N Others may have had no training whatsoever they supposedly and have their work supervised,if you believe supervision actually takes place(even with the vast majority of approved contractors)then you may once again be in a small minority with that opinion
The consequences for well trained qualified electricians is that the market they have operated in is deluged with these Niceic labourers, competing with them for what was an electricians natural role,one which they may have worked many years at punitive salary to obtain the skills to carry out safely,they then find that the industry is being swamped with the untrained and the main culprits are what you term "the industry regulatory body" the Niceic and the other lesser scams,this is where individual competence is thrown to the wind
This is where the Niceic are destroying the trade
This is where qulaified expeienced electricians are getting screwed
This is the reality of the Niceic in todays world
The Niceic are not what they once were,they are a private company, no better than the rest of the organisations who milk the wages of electricans and provide little or no benefit to those electricians,they interest themselves in profit rather than safety
You talk of the Niceic as the voluntary regulatory body for electrical installation contracting,that is a wild claim by a concieted and arrogant organisation,they and some members may actually believe theese fantasies
My own understanding is that the IEE are the regulatory body,they are the body who make the regulations, but there again,the Niceic makes many claims,most of which are made in order to promote and perpetuate this illusion,
