ELECSA Certification Scheme A message to all Elecsa registered electricians!! A must read!!

[MDJ]

"you are still an NICEIC approved contractor!" you cannot have the words approved contractor on your van if you only join the NICEIC DI scheme though fella , thats my only point, otherwise I have no issues with your comments at all and applaud your disgust at elecsa.

 

[D Skelton]

Probably best you don't threaten legal action with an email that is libelous itself (you can't go around calling companies "corporate scamsters"), really you can't.

For my statement to be libelous, Elecsa must be able to prove that my statement was false. Then they must be able to prove that the statement caused harm. Then they must be able to prove that the statement was made without any research into the truthfulness of the statement. Finally, they must be able to prove that the statement was made with the intent to do their organisation harm or with reckless disregard for the truth.

I doubt they can do any of those things, so Elecsa can shove it!

As for your "pay grade" quip, what did you expect to get from that?

Upon receipt of a copied and pasted email as an answer to my enquiry, my assumption was that she either couldn't or wouldn't answer my questions.

If that doesn't work, walk with your wallet!

This is under serious consideration!

 

[D Skelton]

"you are still an NICEIC approved contractor!" you cannot have the words approved contractor on your van if you only join the NICEIC DI scheme though fella , thats my only point, otherwise I have no issues with your comments at all and applaud your disgust at elecsa.

As much as the NIC wouldn't like it, you would be liable to no criminal or civil proceedings as the statement is technically true! This is my only point.

You'd probably be chucked out of the club for it though.

 

[ezzzekiel]

Thought I'd try some emoticons to try and get ezzekiel's interest back up. (ill stick some at the bottom too)

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still with us ezzekiel?

ha your funny

yes still reading with interest, both agree and disagree with a lot of points raised by everyone, but to me the point still stands that there is room for a lot of improvement but it seems that no one wishes to listen, all i keep hearing is after consulation/ long talks/ negotiation WITH WHO?
The principal idea for scheme membership (along lines of gas safe) is what is needed, and that is all.

yearly inspections, why? do you get worse over the course of a year .

 

[Geoffsd]

"you are still an NICEIC approved contractor!" you cannot have the words approved contractor on your van if you only join the NICEIC DI scheme though fella , thats my only point, otherwise I have no issues with your comments at all and applaud your disgust at elecsa.

Which is not the case with ELECSA.

The basis and whole point of the complaint.

 

[MDJ]

yep I know fella and am not trying to in anyway suggest your wrong, I appreciate your complaint, it's all very ridiculous and messy and the whole thing a joke, a bit like all the scams really.

 

[rattlehead85]

All this Di and AC schemes set up by the NiC are just a tool to extract even more money from their own members. I originally held a DI scheme reg as most of my work was Domestic council. As my main roll was periodic inspection and reporting i was advised to pay for an extension to my scope to include what they classified as DPIR reg which i have in black and white from them. I payed for an upgrade to EICR extension in January only to be told that they would not include this on my DI reg. I would have to pay for an AC status to be able to continue carrying out EiCR's on domestic properties. I payed the 400 quid and when i was inspected they did exactly the same inspection as in the yearly DI assessment. So overnight i became incompetent to continue completing EICR and domestic testing unless i payed 400 quid. A joke!! Joe blogs Bulgarian spark pays a one off fee of 450 for a AC reg, he can't tell one scale setting from the next on a multitester and gets his mate to fill out his certs for him. So just shows you how bothered the NIC are about what goes on once they have fleeced the money out of you and just goes to show what a farce this register is!!

 

[MDJ]

one thing I will say though, to have NICEIC approved Contractor accredation isn't pee easy IMO, to get in you need to show 5 jobs which are certified without any errors at alland been trading for a certain period of time, and part of the process is to prove you can carry out the full range of tests under the engineer's watching eye, that is pretty stressful as well and more involved than the DI scheme, there is more as well to it, I'm not saying it isn't straight forward for competent sparks with knowledge, but paying the 450 won't get you approved status alone, I have to admit it isn't like it was and the scheme has lost merit but not just any old joe can get in, thats my view and I won't stick my hard hat on as I know I'm right this time.

 

[AP Electrical]

The way I now see it is as simply a business tool, ill go with whichever scam has more exposure to the public and at the end of the year just run it through with every other expense I have. These scams are all the same money orientated. The last communication I received from elecsa was a notice to inform me the cost of notifications was going up, these are the guys I'd just paid another £450ish to... Why don't they use that instead of increasing my costs? I don't see anything but a yearly inspection for that money as it is anyway......

 

[rattlehead85]

Well i beg to differ on that one. Both myself and two other sparks i know who went AC only were asked for two jobs (both were fine as domestic jobs) and asked to perform a basic r1+r2 test and an RCD test followed by a quick check of publication ownership. And this was by different area engineers may i add. Ok i can understand to a certain extent for me as i have full qualis and had ownership of a DI for a lengthy period but one of the others had 4 months experience out of college post completion of a part P course. He got the AC as easy as me and yet time served sparks on other schemes get downgraded. And give me a good reason why one day an extension to scope is encouraged and overnight all of a sudden you aint competent in the area you have been assessed on and given the scope for. For one reason only.... extract more money or lose custom from disappearing of the register which is now rammed down customers throats!

 

[MDJ]

well we will have to agree to disagree then fella, I'm only talking about the approved contractor scheme, the DI scheme is a different matter, I respect your views though of course.

Mike

 

[Danspark]

It's not earth cable.

Is it not? while it is on the drum it is My earth cable, who says its not going to be used to connect an exposed conductive part of an installation to the main earthing terminal of the installation? known as EARTHING (go check the definitions section of the green book (the one with "requirements for electrical installations written on the front") "Go to the van and get my bonding conductor" doesn't roll of my tongue very well! Note: after I described MY earthing cable i correctly used the term bonding incoming gas and water!

Was it necessary?

What are you suggesting? go read regulation 544.1.1 and look at table 54.8!

No, ELECSA is a government recognised self certification scheme for approval of electricians under Part P of the Building Regulations to self certify their work in domestic dwellings.

ELECSA runs one of the fastest growing Competent Persons Schemes (CPS) in the UK and is a significant point of contact for any householder who is planning to undertake major electrical work in their homes or gardens. (taken from your chosen competent persons scheme's website)
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No I'm not, I'm approved by a government recognised scheme to self certify work in domestic dwellings.​

You were approved by them! you were also
accepted, agreed, confirmed, acknowledged, recognised and sanctioned (possibly should a been sectioned ) But if you are in any doubt, go check the electrical safety register, It clearly states you are a domestic installer.

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you are​

still

an NICEIC approved contractor under Part P of the BRs​

only if you are an approved contractor with domestic installation accreditation, other than that you are approved/acknowledged/recognised as a domestic installer.

domestic installer, domestic installer, domestic installer domestic installer, domestic installer (assuming we're now friends)

ps, my first attempt with multiple quotes. Hope it works

 

[GLENNSPARK]

"you are still an NICEIC approved contractor!" you cannot have the words approved contractor on your van if you only join the NICEIC DI scheme though fella , thats my only point, otherwise I have no issues with your comments at all and applaud your disgust at elecsa.

but at the same time mike.....
i think the issue here is about how can someone be an `approved contractor`..... `approved` by who for a start....the NIC`s golden rules...?.....and whats this `domestic installer` all about?.....sounds like someone who fits windows n doors for christs sake....
if someone is fit for one job.....they should be fit for`t other n all.......
5 week course anyone?....lolffs...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

dan dan the NICelecsanapit man.....lol....
wake up will ya.....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Is it not? while it is on the drum it is My earth cable, who says its not going to be used to connect an exposed conductive part of an installation to the main earthing terminal of the installation? known as EARTHING (go check the definitions section of the green book (the one with "requirements for electrical installations written on the front") "Go to the van and get my bonding conductor" doesn't roll of my tongue very well! Note: after I described MY earthing cable i correctly used the term bonding incoming gas and water!


What are you suggesting? go read regulation 544.1.1 and look at table 54.8!

ELECSA runs one of the fastest growing Competent Persons Schemes (CPS) in the UK and is a significant point of contact for any householder who is planning to undertake major electrical work in their homes or gardens. (taken from your chosen competent persons scheme's website)
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You were approved by them! you were also
accepted, agreed, confirmed, acknowledged, recognised and sanctioned (possibly should a been sectioned ) But if you are in any doubt, go check the electrical safety register, It clearly states you are a domestic installer.

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only if you are an approved contractor with domestic installation accreditation, other than that you are approved/acknowledged/recognised as a domestic installer.

domestic installer, domestic installer, domestic installer domestic installer, domestic installer (assuming we're now friends)

ps, my first attempt with multiple quotes. Hope it works

oye....dummy.....yep you...
so when did a roll of G/Y become either earthin or bonding conductor.....when still on the drum eh?.....