Comments advice on report after having Electrical inspection

[wingers]

Do any of your light fittings req an earth,are they metalic,those may req earth
Even if they are,there are set procedures that can be used, if you were to decline rewiring of the lighting

most light fittings are plastic - only ones not sure about would be spot lights in bathroom and flourescent tube in kitchen

what do you mean by "set procedures"?

 

[telectrix]

basically, set procedures entail 1. replacing any class1 ( metal ) with class 2 ( plastic, non-conductive ) fittings.2. fixing a warning label on CU stating that there is no cpc on lighting-use only class 2 fittings. ( and, of course, noting same on the certificate.)

 

[Engineer54]

Basically by using all double insulated fittings etc!! But that's not a very good idea, especially when you come to sell your house, like the PIR you have now, it would show up like a sore thumb, and will cost you more money in the long run...
Get the lighting circuits rewired, ....but not for 800 quid!!! See what CDW comes up with when he's had a look.

 

[telectrix]

as i think i said previously, i would go in at £40 - £45 per point . e.g. 6 lights, 6 switches -- 12 points = £480 - £540.

 

[mister]

all of my light switches are plastic - so what is the benefit of me spending 800 (going on quote I have) to get them earthed properly? if they are plastic surely not really a chance of shock - what are the benefits etc etc? just really trying to understand why I need to do it

Thanks

Light switches, that report seems to think you don't have any of those

 

[not clever]

Seen as it's a bungalow there is another option to a full circuit rewire, If there are conduit drops to the switches you could just drop in a cpc around the lighting circuit.
Or
Change all class 1 lighting points to class 2 & replace all metal plate screws with nylon ones.

Nobody else has asked, the cables for the lighting circuit wouldnt be enclosed in metal conduit would they? if so you electrician may have missed this as the cpc.

As for the prices:
Your cu change seems fair & I'd insist that (seen as you only have a few circuits) rcbo's were used.
Lighting rewire, bit ott for a bungalow. Could be cheaper.
MEB again without looking hard to say, but I usualy put a price of £150 on this as in most cases it isnt too much of a F about.

As for your mums quote:
Cant comment unless the quote is broken down.

The reports, well everybody else has pulled them apart enough already.

 

[wingers]

Seen as it's a bungalow there is another option to a full circuit rewire, If there are conduit drops to the switches you could just drop in a cpc around the lighting circuit.
Or
Change all class 1 lighting points to class 2 & replace all metal plate screws with nylon ones.

Nobody else has asked, the cables for the lighting circuit wouldnt be enclosed in metal conduit would they? if so you electrician may have missed this as the cpc.

As for the prices:
Your cu change seems fair & I'd insist that (seen as you only have a few circuits) rcbo's were used.
Lighting rewire, bit ott for a bungalow. Could be cheaper.
MEB again without looking hard to say, but I usualy put a price of £150 on this as in most cases it isnt too much of a F about.

As for your mums quote:
Cant comment unless the quote is broken down.

The reports, well everybody else has pulled them apart enough already.

thanks for reply

what are rcbo's

re: mums quote - will contact him and get a breakdown as we wanted more info on what would be done anyway

 

[Engineer54]

RCBO = Combined MCB/RCD ...One protective device required for each of your circuits.

 

[jon jordan]

and they are?

did you see also on there polarity was ticked on garage sockets ? though it was reversed.

 

[Des 56]

did you see also on there polarity was ticked on garage sockets ? though it was reversed.

I think he may have ticked the polarity box because, he has commented and noted that remedial work was done to fix that problem
As reports go,I have seen a lot worse than this one

Ranting time now
Because these reports are not regulated in any shape or form it is just a consequence of a crap system
Clients can go to all singing + dancing approved contrators and get the same toilet papers
The control or lack of it is at fault more than the maker of the report

No control on who can carry them out
No control on competence for doing so
The clients are being hoodwinked on an enormous scale,but most think if they were to go with advise out there and get even an niceic approved firm,they would be getting the real deal
How wrong they are and how ill informed

The guy did the job the way he "thought" was correct,should all the blame be put on him ?
Any incompetent is only incompetent if they know it and our system encourages that situation

 

[not clever]

The other side of these periodics are the customers......how many have you undertaken as the knowledgeable electrician & indicated code 1's to the customer only for the customer to say "thanks the remedials can wait for now"

 

[madmac]

I think he may have ticked the polarity box because, he has commented and noted that remedial work was done to fix that problem
As reports go,I have seen a lot worse than this one

Ranting time now
Because these reports are not regulated in any shape or form it is just a consequence of a crap system
Clients can go to all singing + dancing approved contrators and get the same toilet papers
The control or lack of it is at fault more than the maker of the report

No control on who can carry them out
No control on competence for doing so
The clients are being hoodwinked on an enormous scale,but most think if they were to go with advise out there and get even an niceic approved firm,they would be getting the real deal
How wrong they are and how ill informed

The guy did the job the way he "thought" was correct,should all the blame be put on him ?
Any incompetent is only incompetent if they know it and our system encourages that situation

Well said Des56: I have extensive experience in inspection & testing and of certification also, and I have found myself banging my head of a brick wall with frustration at the lack of regulation across the industry! I have even been forced to call Brian Scaddan about the finer points of inspection & testing only to find that he was also shocked at what goes on out there!!! I have refused to sign off NEW installations due to the shoddy and non-compliance installs only to find that there is always some mug(usually a manager) who will sign off anything knowing fine well there is practically NO chance of ever being pulled up!!! IT'S ALL A BIG MONEY MAKING SCAM!!!
It also ****** me off at the amount of training courses and cards I've had to continually put myself through just to be classed as having basic qualifications to do this!!! I know no longer work in the SJIB/JIB sector but now work as a wireman/electrician/fitter in the HV sector for Scottish Power doing sub-station work, as I was sick of all the **** going on!!! That doesn't mean that the HV game is any different, just a change of scenery.

 

[Electricalserv]

Well said Des56: I have extensive experience in inspection & testing and of certification also, and I have found myself banging my head of a brick wall with frustration at the lack of regulation across the industry! I have even been forced to call Brian Scaddan about the finer points of inspection & testing only to find that he was also shocked at what goes on out there!!! I have refused to sign off NEW installations due to the shoddy and non-compliance installs only to find that there is always some mug(usually a manager) who will sign off anything knowing fine well there is practically NO chance of ever being pulled up!!! IT'S ALL A BIG MONEY MAKING SCAM!!!
It also ****** me off at the amount of training courses and cards I've had to continually put myself through just to be classed as having basic qualifications to do this!!! I know no longer work in the SJIB/JIB sector but now work as a wireman/electrician/fitter in the HV sector for Scottish Power doing sub-station work, as I was sick of all the **** going on!!! That doesn't mean that the HV game is any different, just a change of scenery.

It makes sense for the 2391 to be made minimum for PIR's. Why it isn't I dnt know.

 

[madmac]

It makes sense for the 2391 to be made minimum for PIR's. Why it isn't I dnt know.
Good point Electricalserv, and I would argue that it also makes sense for PIR's to only be allowed to be done by fully qualified approved electricians with 2391 and have some of the powers of the old Corgi scheme where if he thinks an install is unsafe he can isolate and lock off until made safe! And if someone is found to have falsely completed a cert. for PIR that they will be prosecuted.

 

[wingers]

breakdown of the quote I received is as follows:-

8- 1 gang 2 way light switch £8.16

2- 2 gang 2 way light switch £3.60

1- pull cord light switch £2.27

11- ceiling rose £21.01



Volex White £35.04



1- Crabtree 8 way 17edition dual rcd consumer unit £78.00

6- Crabtree type B mcbs £40.26

10- 1 gang 25mm metal box £3.20

200m 1.5mm twin & earth £91.26

50m 1.5mm 3 core & earth £37.33

2m meter tails £13.74

1- copper earth rod £2.72

3m 16mm earth cable £7.02

50m 10mm earth cable £50.25



£323.78



Total parts £358.82



1st fix

Remove existing lightingcables, modify immersion heater circuit- 1 day

Chasing and Sink boxes- 1 day
New wiring back to consumer unit- 1 day



3 days



2nd fix

Switches & lights- 1 day

Replace installation earth rod install earthing & bonding- 1day

Replace consumer unit, upgrade meter tails, test & inspect- 1day



3 days



8 hours per day 8.30- 4.30 £160.00

£960.00
Total parts andlabour- £1318.82


Both means of earthing being ticked was a mistake and the consumer unit fitted would be a crabtree