Glad to see the domestic work is booming in the midlands

[Amp David]

Just had a news letter from My Local Electrician and saw the article in it.

Plug in to success with the UK


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[Guest55]

I'd like to know how much electrical theory is taught on these short courses...apart from V=IR & P=VI ?

i'd say V= it hurts.
;-)

 

[Silly Sausage]

Or even, a big I = death...I wonder?

 

[oldtimer]

Its like on the PV section someone asks if a certain company is legit when you log on to their site they are saying 1000% profit so how come Bernie Madoff was jailed for promising 5% over the current APR figure.

I had a customer who wanted an old light put up her decorator said he did little electrical jobs but got me in instead and then watched be go up and check the lathe and plaster ceiling as it was a heavy light fitting plus I told her it was not fit to put in as it needed restored so she sent it away and it was cleaned and rewired I then returned to put it in.

Now given the light was directly above the bed in the main bedroom she said yep you were right the decorator just wanted to throw it up but you checked out the safety aspect and its not worth thinking about if it came away from its fixings

 

[ipf]

The usual bending the truth if your in the selling game. It is criminal, especially when it involves highly dangerous situations. False confidence and security given to installers and householders alike. I still can't get the idea of so called qualified teachers overseeing or running these courses. These people, in general, have come through the ranks of our industry and know exactly what they are doing, s******g on the game for easy money. I wonder how many of them packed in because things were getting more difficult and ended up training payees to pass exams from scratch for an easy way out.
Hard faced and two faced.

 

[Des 56]

He's a fully qualified electrician now apparently, it only took him 17 days, is that a record?

Johnny-G you must have missed this vitally important statement in the bumf

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The tutors were amazing !

So there you have it, that must be the reason the students can become superhuman in 17 days
IMy tutors must have lacked that "amazing" quality :dunce:

 

[telectrix]

probably a missprint. should be amuzing.

 

[stan794]

I'd like to know how much electrical theory is taught on these short courses...apart from V=IR & P=VI ?

Ive done one mate and that is all the theory you get in a nutshell. I fell for the sales spiel, 17th, and 2392 and your qualified mate was what I was told and let loose on people's homes. I'm already a tradesman running my own biz but soon realised these courses are very poor and leave you lacking in many key skills, but don't worry they say we have a helpline. I now have employed a proper spark and when needed I will help him as a mate. If the public new these type of courses were churning domestic installers out in 3 weeks then I'm sure they would not get the work. Oh and the scam providers don't start me on that, they passed me with flying colours which is a joke.

 

[oldtimer]

thank for your honesty

 

[i=p/u]

everyman for themselves then .............. i can paint, i can tile , i can do loads... and didnt even need a course,i did do a course on electrical and i just cant work out electricity the way i want too..

ah well

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should i say i aint confident and fluent

 

[Tradeskills4u]

I just saw this thread and wanted to answer some of your queries. I can confirm this is a true story and we recently received the content in a letter form from Wayne Lewis an ex-candidate of ours who was very happy with his training and the level of work he has received since registering as a domestic installer. Like any good training company we wanted to shout about this feedback. We would never publish something that was untrue or make anything like this up.

I wanted to also highlight that we are the good guys here. We really do try and deliver the best training possible be that for a domestic installer or for a fully qualified electrician. We do offer short courses but we also offer people the choice to go down the fully qualified route and right now in our centre we have over 30 guys all doing the 2365 and 2357 qualifications.

There seems to be some negativity around short courses, however a large percentage of our trainees are fully qualified electricians who seem to prefer to do intensive courses to update their skills rather than sit in a college for weeks on end. Many of them find learning something like 17[SUP]th[/SUP] edition regs in just a few days much easier than spreading the training out.

There seems to be a lot of negativity about this press release on the forum which is sad to see as this guy really has achieved a lot in a short space of time. I can assure you he would have worked very hard to get there too and I think he should be congratulated not ridiculed for that.

I also think we should be more worried about the guys out there working with no training whatsoever than those who seek to train properly and understand to correctly install either domestically or commercially.

 

[ipf]

I just saw this thread and wanted to answer some of your queries. I can confirm this is a true story and we recently received the content in a letter form from Wayne Lewis an ex-candidate of ours who was very happy with his training and the level of work he has received since registering as a domestic installer. Like any good training company we wanted to shout about this feedback. We would never publish something that was untrue or make anything like this up.

I wanted to also highlight that we are the good guys here. We really do try and deliver the best training possible be that for a domestic installer or for a fully qualified electrician. We do offer short courses but we also offer people the choice to go down the fully qualified route and right now in our centre we have over 30 guys all doing the 2365 and 2357 qualifications.
What exactly is a 'fully qualified domestic installer' then ? (as per the publication)
There seems to be some negativity around short courses, however a large percentage of our trainees are fully qualified electricians who seem to prefer to do intensive courses to update their skills rather than sit in a college for weeks on end. Many of them find learning something like 17[SUP]th[/SUP] edition regs in just a few days much easier than spreading the training out.
No problems with this, in fact the upgrade to 17th was a necessity, post 2011.
There seems to be a lot of negativity about this press release on the forum which is sad to see as this guy really has achieved a lot in a short space of time. I can assure you he would have worked very hard to get there too and I think he should be congratulated not ridiculed for that.

I also think we should be more worried about the guys out there working with no training whatsoever than those who seek to train properly and understand to correctly install either domestically or commercially.

I have no doubt that a minority of short course 'candidates' have the necessary knowledge and 'get up and go' to succeed, as did Mr Lewis. However, it is a significant minority. Regarding 'shouting about this feedback', the National Lottery regularly do the same with their succesful subscribers. It all helps to sell but the chances of true success are slim.
What exactly is your position and what are your electrical qualifications, if you don't mind me asking ?

 

[oldtimer]

Tend to endorse what ipf is saying but again as I said this just does not stack up right and looks for all to see a marriage of convenience for your company and Mr Lewis with the erring on "you to can be be an overnight success" Dont get me wrong its not envy I have for Mr Lewis as I have run 2 businesses and have never seen any business take off as fast as this plus if you check out his web site there seems to be a mix between decorating and electrics with no substance behind it.

ipf questions if you are technically qualified but me I suspect you are on the Admin/Sales side because you comment of a large percentage smacks of a sales speech so I am going to pin you down here because my understanding is the term large percentages equates to 75% plus and I am willing to be corrected from you and I hope you wont hide behind we need to protect our sources comment.

Now lets get something out of the way here am I anti training centre no not a bit and yes you and your company have a role to fill but just like the Scheme providors companies like you tend to ramp up the volume on sales hence the what appears to good publicity for you and Mr Lewis raises alarms with guys like me who still cannot get it into his head how anybody can get qualified in such a short time.Plus I will concede that an individual can be trained for domestic electrics not in 4 years but in 2 years anything less in my opinion is not enough preperation.

 

[sparks1973]

Just had a news letter from My Local Electrician and saw the article in it.

Plug in to success with the UK


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should be `in the money` then....

 

[ashrow]

God help us ! I should of done a course like that then an apprenticeship

 

[Guitarist]

I find the whole modern attitude of being "fully qualified in just a few weeks" extremely insulting to all of us who spent 3 or 4 years of our life training and studying, on very low wages, so that we could be what we thought was "fully qualified".