NICEIC Certification Scheme Max ZS allowed on NICEIC cert seems wrong?

[telectrix]

B@llocks, it is because London Fire Brigade highlighted a larger number of poor workmanship/ incorrect terminations in domestic installs by inexperienced people, but as the scam providers wanted to maintain the status quo (anyone whose cheque clears) they bribed or convinced the IET to treat the symptoms rather than the root cause, and we all ended up with a halfarsed reg as a consequence.

my thoughts entirely. no part p or any other reg. is going to stop the cowboys. look what happened in the states in 1920 when they banned booze. make anything illegal and the black market takes over.

 

[Clark3169]

That the scams have made electrical installations since Part P and its inception safer

Well if I could be bothered I could gather the stats from work for you or you could take my word for it. Tell me, before regulation if you left a loose connection in a property miles from where you lived and it burnt to the ground. Would you have ever known about it? The answer is no. I however would and I can tell you from first hand experience that the number of fires caused by poor electrical installations has gone down and before you start to talk to me about how the government fix the stats they can only do that after we are submitted them and I'm afraid to all you part P haters out there the figures speak for themselves.

 

[telectrix]

@ trev. we must both have the same hymm sheet. when was it translated into geordie? :49:

 

[Anthony S]

they would just get another firm who is registered.

If your man is adamant then you have to play ball, where's I don't.

If I don't do my own work Ill just back on site and earn a living with no head aches lol

 

[Plonker 3]

Well if I could be bothered I could gather the stats from work for you or you could take my word for it. Tell me, before regulation if you left a loose connection in a property miles from where you lived and it burnt to the ground. Would you have ever known about it? The answer is no. I however would and I can tell you from first hand experience that the number of fires caused by poor electrical installations has gone down and before you start to talk to me about how the government fix the stats they can only do that after we are submitted them and I'm afraid to all you part P haters out there the figures speak for themselves.

Right I changed my mind.

If a installation I worked on caused a fire then yes I would know about it as I would have been pulled up for arson due to the fact I always a relevant certificate as in BS7671 sonthey would be able to find out who installed it.

Its the ones who dont issue certs that are the problem, now tell me how does Part P stop this happening?

 

[trev]

@ trev. we must both have the same hymm sheet. when was it translated into geordie? :49:

You see that's where you're making your mistake mate. The Venerable Bede wasn't translating all that guff from Latin into English, he was dumbing it down so you lot could understand the general gist of it.
Obviously you're all still missing the finer points of it but we let you all off with it because you're just Geordies with your brains kicked out.

 

[spark 68]

Well if I could be bothered I could gather the stats from work for you or you could take my word for it. Tell me, before regulation if you left a loose connection in a property miles from where you lived and it burnt to the ground. Would you have ever known about it? The answer is no. I however would and I can tell you from first hand experience that the number of fires caused by poor electrical installations has gone down and before you start to talk to me about how the government fix the stats they can only do that after we are submitted them and I'm afraid to all you part P haters out there the figures speak for themselves.

Your not called Nicholas by any chance are you ?

 

[Plonker 3]

Well if I could be bothered I could gather the stats from work for you or you could take my word for it. Tell me, before regulation if you left a loose connection in a property miles from where you lived and it burnt to the ground. Would you have ever known about it? The answer is no. I however would and I can tell you from first hand experience that the number of fires caused by poor electrical installations has gone down and before you start to talk to me about how the government fix the stats they can only do that after we are submitted them and I'm afraid to all you part P haters out there the figures speak for themselves.

Oh and 74% of statitics are made up so they prove nothing.

 

[davesparks]

Customer I have picked had an extension wired by a non registered electrician so it had not been registered for part p
The LBA would not sign it off without part p so they sent there own testing engineer (sub contractor) and charged £300 to test 2 circuits
now if that's the general charge then surely it's best to register to provide a better service to the customer
2 or 3 jobs and the cost to register is cheaper than LBA charges

If the extension was subject to full planning permission and building regs then informing building control that an unregistered but qualified electrician was doing the work would have negated that charge and any electrical inspections would have to have been carried out for the standard building regs inspection charge which was paid anyway for the buildings regs inspection for all of the other building regs.

As it is they may be able to claim back against building control for overcharging them for that inspection.

 

[Redvanman]

Sooner stick pins in my eyes than have people feed off my back.

Makes no sense that statement
plenty of businesses make money off the back of your work

 

[Clark3169]

Mate, I'm 52 years old. I've been doing this since I was 16, I'm properly qualified and have experience in a wide variety of the many aspects of this trade. I have never had one of my CU installations catch fire.
Now are you seriously telling me that because I am not CPS registered I am somehow incompetent?
CUs catch fire for one reason and one reason only. Poor termination of cables.
Now who is more likely to terminate a cable poorly, someone who was stacking shelves in Tesco a few weeks back and has passed some silly open book exam? Or me, an apprenticeship trained, properly qualified electrician with over 30 years of experience under his belt?

First off mate no I am not saying you are incompetent at all. Second you wouldn't message tilt have found out if any of your installs had ever caught fire (I'm sure they haven't though) my point is your a fully qualified spark and install very safe work, the semi trained Tescos guy will install safe work to it's the third category that you missed out which is DIY Dave who will cause the fires and since part p has been introduced it has reduced the number of DIY Daves thus less fires. The experience I was referring to is not you lack of electrical experience it's was the fire experience. I'm a fire officer and have seen the effect part p has had first hand.

 

[Anthony S]

Well if I could be bothered I could gather the stats from work for you or you could take my word for it. Tell me, before regulation if you left a loose connection in a property miles from where you lived and it burnt to the ground. Would you have ever known about it? The answer is no. I however would and I can tell you from first hand experience that the number of fires caused by poor electrical installations has gone down and before you start to talk to me about how the government fix the stats they can only do that after we are submitted them and I'm afraid to all you part P haters out there the figures speak for themselves.

So how does the above concern me ? I issue Certificates and don't belong to a scheme and Building Control sign off my work and my Certificate is given a code number on their system. Therefore I am on record with them as doing the work.

 

[Plonker 3]

Be intresting to see these "stats" and then break them down into caused by so called Part P electricians and how many caused by "non part p" electricians

 

[telectrix]

You see that's where you're making your mistake mate. The Venerable Bede wasn't translating all that guff from Latin into English, he was dumbing it down so you lot could understand the general gist of it.
Obviously you're all still missing the finer points of it but we let you all off with it because you're just Geordies with your brains kicked out.

did geordies ever have brains to be kicked out? :smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5:

 

[Anthony S]

Makes no sense that statement
plenty of businesses make money off the back of your work

But I get something for my money, Fuel for my van, materials for the job, tools to work with, the list is endless.