Mikes Friday night Politics Thread

[Octopus]

The DWP has a lot to answer for:

Job Seekers Allowance:

if you've been in regular employment it ceases after 6 months - contribution based

If you've been in and out of work and unemployment you get it paid for "ever" - this is income based.

Tax Credits:

If you are out of work, claiming contributions based JSA, and your partner is working -your tax credit is cut by up to 90%

If you are out of work, claiming income based JSA, and your partner is working - your tax credit is paid 100%

So 2 seemingly "identical" families with the same income can be treated completely differently by the tax credits system.

Remove the differences between how JSA is paid and do the same to tax credits ad I'm 100% certain that many people would suddenly find that work pays.

 

[trev]

No we don't buddy. You're looking at it from the wrong way round. We need to change the system so that it actually pays to work. I don't blame the benefits scroungers one jot. Why bother slogging yer guts out stacking shelves all week for less money than you'd get on the rock and roll?!

We need to force companies to pay a living wage, and if they don't like it then close them down! We also need to cap rent on a national scale so that those people working can actually afford to pay the rent through work and have a bit more left over to play with. Rent caps would drive house prices down as a result of the millions of rich landlords selling up, thus making buying a home more affordable. As long as the transition is controlled and the government prevented negative equity by funding guarantees for the banks when the prices fall, we wouldn't suffer one problem. How would we fund this might you ask?? Well after such a transition, housing benefit would as near as makes no difference be a thing of the past. Billions saved right there and at the same time that gulf between the rich and the poor would be made quite a lot smaller almost overnight!

You don't get the poor working by punishing them for not being in work, you get them working by giving them the incentive!

You don't get the rich to pay a living wage by offering them an incentive, you get them to pay a living wage by punishing them if they don't!

It isn't a hard concept really, I'm just amazed at how so many people struggle with the idea! Redistribution of wealth is the only thing that will save this economy.

One thing I'd add to that is we need to start building houses again but not privately owned ones. We need a massive investment in more social housing for a number of reason
1 We don't have enough-this results in private sector rents going through the roof because demand outstrips supply.
2 People will be employed- Obvious, it's a no brainer. They'll then be paying tax and spending which will stimulate demand in other sectors. People buying more need more stuff to buy.
3 It will lower the bill for housing benefit, if demand no longer outstrips supply then prices come down.
The troops are coming home from Afghanistan soon so that's several billion pounds that can be diverted from war to something that will benefit us all.

 

[Diddy]

That Skelton bloke does talk some sense.
But yes as to the charge of being worse off if you stuck in at school blah blah blah.....How are you worse off ? You probably live in a nicer area eat better food go on holiday to better destinations and the chances are your kids will go on to emulate you and also probably attend better schools too.
Also when we talk about the poor we are not solely talking about unemployed ....not even close. We will always need people to do the cleaning up and sweeping up...these people are not beneath any of us they are imho our equal.....but on < v£7 per hour they are not buying there house nor are they going to be eating "good" food ect ect ect. Remember without the cleaner the surgeon can't work and vice versa.
I think it is criminal that someone earning say £15k per year has to subsidise the likes of Tesco/Asda ect to top up the min wages these guys pay. You are not subsidising the workers who are poor REALLY what you are doing is subsidising the shareholders of these multi nationals so that they can continue to pay below par wages. These companies make billions profit per year so do not fall for the line that by putting the shelf stackers wage up that you will in turn have to pay more for your fruit and veg....it would only happen that way if the public allowed it.
Anyway I am off out to a nice barbQ followed by a few beers. Have a great one guys.

 

[dingledong]

In that case why allow unskilled people into the country as they will get a poorly paid job and be stuck on the merry go round of poverty
It is the mind set of the people that make them stay on the dole.
A country years ago said if you have been convicted of three crimes then you will be sterilized as we don't want you having children
The state benefits and nhs are good things it's the people that use and abuse it.

 

[dingledong]

Also the example I gave earlier was hypothetical unfortunately I have a mortgage but if I work really really hard don't eat don't go out then in 19 years it's mine mine I tell you all mine ha he hahaa
Well the wife has a bit a big bit and the kids I suppose

 

[trev]

A country years ago said if you have been convicted of three crimes then you will be sterilized as we don't want you having children

Do you think that's a good policy, one which should be introduced in this country?
In my world that starts us off down a very dark and scary road to a place I very much do not want to live in.

 

[dingledong]

Why not
Women who have children and let them be abused or killed should not be allowed to have children , paedophiles should be chemically castrated and habitually criminals should be too . . .Why is that a dark path

 

[trev]

Because it will surely become "your child is going to be born with a disability and will eventually become a burden on the state. You will therefore be forced to terminate your pregnancy"
"You are a member of a certain social group, we have exceeded our quota of children being born in that group, please attend the centre at xxxxx for a termination"
"You are now old and the time during which you can be a productive member of society has passed, you will attend our centre at xxxx where you will be euthanised"
I agree with the castraion of paedophiles but the rest of it is a monstrous idea worthy only of ---- Germany and their eugenics programme
You say an habitual criminal should be chemically castrated, is it not better to look at the reasons for habitual crime and address the causes? Who the hell gets to judge where the line is drawn?
How many crimes and what types of crime would put a person into the class of habitual criminal? Taking it literally it could mean 3 speeding tickets.
There are very few women who "allow" their children to be abused or killed and in the rare event of this happening it's often because they are terrified of the person who is doing the abusing.

 

[Octopus]

Because it will surely become "your child is going to be born with a disability and will eventually become a burden on the state. You will therefore be forced to terminate your pregnancy"
"You are a member of a certain social group, we have exceeded our quota of children being born in that group, please attend the centre at xxxxx for a termination"
"You are now old and the time during which you can be a productive member of society has passed, you will attend our centre at xxxx where you will be euthanised"
I agree with the castraion of paedophiles but the rest of it is a monstrous idea worthy only of ---- Germany and their eugenics programme
You say an habitual criminal should be chemically castrated, is it not better to look at the reasons for habitual crime and address the causes? Who the hell gets to judge where the line is drawn?
How many crimes and what types of crime would put a person into the class of habitual criminal? Taking it literally it could mean 3 speeding tickets.
There are very few women who "allow" their children to be abused or killed and in the rare event of this happening it's often because they are terrified of the person who is doing the abusing.

Absolute rubbish!

 

[trev]

Absolute rubbish!

Where do you draw the line and who gets to decide?

 

[trev]

Absolute rubbish!

Of course, nothing similar has ever happened before has it?

 

[Guest77]

Please pause now until next Friday guys

 

[trev]

Please pause now until next Friday guys

Who died and made you gaffer like? You're not the boss of me!

 

[Guest77]

Who died and made you gaffer like? You're not the boss of me!

:smilielol5:

 

[GMES]

Bloody hell I miss all the good stuff, just to add my bit how about we just castrate all politician's!!!