Mikes Friday night Politics Thread

[Guest77]

Crikey Trev is angry with me :earmuffs:

 

[trev]

It takes a lot more than anything on this thread to angry me up mate

 

[dingledong]

Please pause now until next Friday guys

No I am pi55ed now

 

[dingledong]

Trevor you could say that about all government rules but there is a line so if it was women who let the boyfriend kill her childhood she is scared of him but she still shouldn't be allowed to have children

Ok
Who is worse Rolf Harris with an 8? Year old or Bill wyman with a 14 year old who's mother allowed it

 

[dingledong]

Sorry Trevor I meant trev but I usually call people by there full name it's respect

 

[trev]

Sorry Trevor I meant trev but I usually call people by there full name it's respect

Howay man, have a talk to yourself. It's me man

 

[dingledong]

Just a bit worried it's like going to the zoo ,you look in the cage it says Geordie do you pat it or keep away from it and show respect

 

[dingledong]

I normally do talk to myself it's the only time I have a good conversation

 

[rapparee]

Well I can't be bothered to get into a political debate as to who is best out of the Tories and Labour. I'm betting most know where I stand on the Tories due to my sig, and Labour, well, they were newtered a long time ago, so not much faith there either. All I will say is that we live in a country with the illusion of democracy. We vote every five years for a party that is no more than the best of a bad bunch and they still do the exact opposite of what they set out in their manifestos and we as the proletariate have no power whatsoever to change that. At least under a dictatorship you know what you're getting. I'd also like to raise the issue of happiness. Ultimately, this is all we live for right?! What amuses me is the fact that countries like ours, with its shining beacon of hope that somehow attracts the rest of the world to our golden paved streets, is one of the unhappiest countries in the world. Contrary to what you might think, it's places like Cuba, Iran, China, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Russia and Venesuela that rank high on the happiness scale! Just goes to show that capitalism isn't the be all and end all doesn't it!

National Socialism is where it's at IMHO. Just a shame that lunatic Adolf had to go and give it a bad name with all his Jew hating!

And for those of you who still don't get it; true National Socialism = the polar opposite to International Finance Capitalism. It is not Nazism, so don't even go there.

I think what your trying to get at is just plain socialism, fascism was just an extension of corporatism

 

[trev]

Just a bit worried it's like going to the zoo ,you look in the cage it says Geordie do you pat it or keep away from it and show respect

As long as you don't poke me with sticks everything will be fine mate.

 

[dingledong]

Maybe a barge pole mate

 

[ferg]

Crikey Dingledong you have brought up some subjects worthy of a decent debate.

BY decent debate I mean I would argue with you.

Before the demise of the local pub you could have these heated debates but they would be punctuated by things like..

Yer talking crap... Aye its my round we'll have..

Or..

I've never heard such rubbish in my entire life.... we're up on the pool table, you rack em while I go for a pee

 

[D Skelton]

I think what your trying to get at is just plain socialism, fascism was just an extension of corporatism

I believe in a self-sustaining society provided for by manufacture, industry and exports as opposed to a consumerist society barely surviving on finance, commercial service provision and imports. I am an authoritarian, therfore I believe in firm but fair leadership. The power needs to be in the hands of the people so that they can decide how they wish to shape their futures but at the same time I'd be extremely harsh on crime. I'd like to see a progressive step towards a 'one strike' approach to criminality. A single chance to reform, and if so, great. If not however, then that's 23 hours a day in a blank cell for you my friend! I'd like social and economic policies to be debated by everyone and for referendums to take place on a weekly basis as it is not for the politicians to decide what is best for us, they are only there to serve us, something which they love to forget! I heavily support state ownership of things such as gas, electricity, water, trains and busses and I am fully in favour of an enourmous redistribution of wealth taking a very harsh approach towards corporations who wish to decieve the taxpayer and take advantage of society, but, at the same time not destroying the incentive people need to work hard.

In my society, Google would pay their taxes or they would be banned from the internet! Starbucks would pay their taxes or watch their shops burn! Philip Green would pay his taxes, or watch every single business of his on our soil be given away to charity!

I am fully aware that for society to function, socialism in it's purest form will never work as there is no point working ten times harder or being ten times more intelligent than your next door neighbour but still only receiving the same size slice of pie. That said, the neighbour should still be entitled to pie, and he should have more than enough to feed his family without having to go into debt!

I believe we need to be out of the EU because we as a country will be better off for it and I would like to see a closed border policy implemented, similar to that of Australia's. I also disagree with a single penny of ours leaving our shores in foreign aid, most of which only ends up in the pockets of the dictators that line their throne rooms with marble at our expense.

I believe in a unified island, and for that, Alex Salmond can go eat faeces, but I believe it is in our best interests as an island to look out for number one first and foremost!

I'm ranting now, but can't you see. National Socialism is just a healthy dose of nationalism and socialism combined. I guess in it's purest form you could call me a fascist, I just don't have the penchant for violence, nor the will to see the kind of leader worship commonly associated with many past fascist governments.

The problem is, there are so many different types of fascism and that I think is where people go wrong. They see the words authoritarian or nationalism and immediately scream "FASCIST!" without actually knowing much of what they're talking about. There are so many ways to mobilise society within fascist ideology, some of which in the past have resulted in genocide and war, which means for those of us who may appear to be more moderate in our views, we unfortunately get lumped in the same category.

Putting our prejudice aside for one moment. If Hitler had actually been a decent fella instead of a raving lunatic. If he'd have stuck to just charisma and not brought anti-semitism into the mix. If he didn't have so much hate within him, or the burning desire to invade other nations or kill other races, he'd be lauded as probably the greatest leader of all time!

You don't have to be a soap dodging leftie to be a socialist, neither do you have to be a racist or a bigot to be a nationalist.

 

[ferg]

I'd like to see a progressive step towards a 'one strike' approach to criminality. A single chance to reform, and if so, great. If not however, then that's 23 hours a day in a blank cell for you my friend!

Well that's me and everyone I've ever known in a blank cell.

I'm assuming being caught and getting away with it are the same thing?

So far this week I've been speeding several times.

I just tried to count the amount of laws I broke between the ages of 15 and 28 and failed miserably.

My wife suffers from chronic back pain and I've been known to roll her the odd herbal cigarette for pain relief.

So by your measure I should be in prison locked down for 23 HRs a day ?

 

[D Skelton]

Well that's me and everyone I've ever known in a blank cell.

I'm assuming being caught and getting away with it are the same thing?

So far this week I've been speeding several times.

I just tried to count the amount of laws I broke between the ages of 15 and 28 and failed miserably.

My wife suffers from chronic back pain and I've been known to roll her the odd herbal cigarette for pain relief.

So by your measure I should be in prison locked down for 23 HRs a day ?

I'm talking about muggers, thieves and drug dealers mate, not speeders and the occasional herb smokers ffs!