Moving A Socket A Few Feet

[NickD]

Client wants (indoor, domestic) socket moved a matter of a few feet, assuming cable is not to be buried in wall, would you say for regs compliance socket must be RCD protected? I know the answer is liable to be yes because it's adding a new socket and decommissioning the old, but just wanted to pick some more experienced brains. I'm aware if the cable isn't buried I could just install a socket with integral RCD if the client is willing. Realistically they may go for the cowboy installer who'll just move the socket and not even worry about RCDs. :sad:

 

[DPG]

oye Nick..

stop attention seeking with sillyness like this....just shift the chuffing thing to where you want it.....

its not an addition or new install is it for christs sake...use your initiative lad...

if you feel they may be using it for outdoor equipment then replace the front with an RCD outlet.....

bloody nora...

How is it attention seeking? It's a question which was asked in a fair way and has already had different answers given by members on here. Daz

 

[GLENNSPARK]

How is it attention seeking? It's a question which was asked in a fair way and has already had different answers given by members on here. Daz

hi Daz...hows it goin mate..

 

[Toby Kuhnert]

As Tel has already said, change the existing point for an RCD FCU, then come off the load side. Happy days...

 

[Eddiesparks]

So easiest way would be use an RCD socket. But think about it like this. They now have 15/20 sockets with no rcd protection and one with! Haha you should tell them to plug anything in THAT socket if they plan on getting a belt at any time in the future. I'm with D skelton. Common sense/type of punter.

 

[MDJ]

So easiest way would be use an RCD socket. But think about it like this. They now have 15/20 sockets with no rcd protection and one with! Haha you should tell them to plug anything in THAT socket if they plan on getting a belt at any time in the future. I'm with D skelton. Common sense/type of punter.

No sorry I don't agree with that at all

 

[Eddiesparks]

Ok. CHEAPEST way. No?

 

[MDJ]

read post 13, By adding a RCD socket you are still not protecting the cable you install, doing it the way Tel mentioned you protect the cable and new socket, the best suggestion in this thread by far and the right one IMHO.

 

[Eddiesparks]

Spot on. Point taken.

The rest of my post still stands though.

 

[ipf]

Dear oh dear..............

 

[SirKit Breaker]

I did a similar job a while back. Customer 90 year old, old dear, wanted another twin socket next to the existing twin socket behind the telly so she didn't have to use adaptors. Wylex rewireable board, did the essential tests, and duly fitted her a new twin socket. I ask myself this, is it safer now without RCD's or was it safer before using adaptors and extension leads?

I sleep well, knowing that i did a safe non compliant job, and if i hadn't have done it, then someone else in the pub would. You are competent enough to risk assess it, and get the job done. No one will ever get prosecuted for doing the right thing for the right reason.

Remember the regs are guidance only, and must be complied with as far as is Reasonably Practical, and not regardless of cost and inconvenience.

Cheers.............Howard

PS I await the regs brigade onslaught!

 

[DPG]

Dear oh dear to which post???

 

[MDJ]

I did a similar job a while back. Customer 90 year old, old dear, wanted another twin socket next to the existing twin socket behind the telly so she didn't have to use adaptors. Wylex rewireable board, did the essential tests, and duly fitted her a new twin socket. I ask myself this, is it safer now without RCD's or was it safer before using adaptors and extension leads?

I sleep well, knowing that i did a safe non compliant job, and if i hadn't have done it, then someone else in the pub would. You are competent enough to risk assess it, and get the job done. No one will ever get prosecuted for doing the right thing for the right reason.

Remember the regs are guidance only, and must be complied with as far as is Reasonably Practical, and not regardless of cost and inconvenience.

Cheers.............Howard

PS I await the regs brigade onslaught!

No onslaught by me Howard, I fully understand your point and Damiens and never said there was a problem. I still think though Tels suggestion was the right way and I would do the job the way he suggested myself, It would still be a fairly cheap quick job and it would be a good job.

 

[7029 dave]

I am all for the common sense approach, but in the world we live of litigation, I would not install sockets without rcd protection, it's all about covering one's ---!!. On that note I am sooo glad am away from domestic and contracting full stop.!!!

 

[Andrewr3]

This afternoon I looked a job to move a 13A DSSO socket only 120mm (out from a brick wall onto a new stud wall just in front of it). Cable extensions probably required. No RCDs on any final circuits.

 

[NickD]

As Tel has already said, change the existing point for an RCD FCU, then come off the load side. Happy days...

I'd thought that, but the original socket position is going to get blocked by a radiator, which is the reason for the socket move.