Moving A Socket A Few Feet

[NickD]

Client wants (indoor, domestic) socket moved a matter of a few feet, assuming cable is not to be buried in wall, would you say for regs compliance socket must be RCD protected? I know the answer is liable to be yes because it's adding a new socket and decommissioning the old, but just wanted to pick some more experienced brains. I'm aware if the cable isn't buried I could just install a socket with integral RCD if the client is willing. Realistically they may go for the cowboy installer who'll just move the socket and not even worry about RCDs. :sad:

 

[Andrewr3]

I'd thought that, but the original socket position is going to get blocked by a radiator, which is the reason for the socket move.

Ditto. Similar problem, in my job the original socket will be behind a plaster board wall.

 

[NickD]

stop attention seeking with sillyness like this

Oh, that's what I was doing is it? Sorry, I didn't realise. I thought I was learning.

its not an addition...is it for christs sake

What has the three foot of 2.5+1.5 T&E between the old position and the socket been then, if not added? I'm aware this is a very by-the-book approach to the regs but that's the way I roll. Look at it this way: install new socket without RCD protection, document it, client electrocutes themselves from it. The worry in addition to any criminal charge is whether the relatives launch a large civil claim for damages. Your PL / PI insurer will probably refuse to cover you because you have operated outside the rules you are meant to operate within. You are now ****ed.

So my inclination, based on the useful posts from others, is that I would push the client towards RCD protected socket (or if original socket postion wasn't getting blocked off, RCD FCU), although being honest about the fact I needed to do so to cover myself (let's face it, what does one RCD protected socket add, unless you sell the benefits for outdoor equipment etc.). Whether I would at a push do it non RCD protected for cash with no paperwork, I offer no comment!

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Ditto. Similar problem, in my job the original socket will be behind a plaster board wall.

Which means you can't use screwed terminals or anything else which must have maintenance access.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Oh, that's what I was doing is it? Sorry, I didn't realise. I thought I was learning.



What has the three foot of 2.5+1.5 T&E between the old position and the socket been then, if not added? I'm aware this is a very by-the-book approach to the regs but that's the way I roll. Look at it this way: install new socket without RCD protection, document it, client electrocutes themselves from it. The worry in addition to any criminal charge is whether the relatives launch a large civil claim for damages. Your PL / PI insurer will probably refuse to cover you because you have operated outside the rules you are meant to operate within. You are now ****ed.

So my inclination, based on the useful posts from others, is that I would push the client towards RCD protected socket (or if original socket postion wasn't getting blocked off, RCD FCU), although being honest about the fact I needed to do so to cover myself (let's face it, what does one RCD protected socket add, unless you sell the benefits for outdoor equipment etc.). Whether I would at a push do it non RCD protected for cash with no paperwork, I offer no comment!

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Which means you can't use screwed terminals or anything else which must have maintenance access.

well you crack on then kid....you knows what your doing...

after having a browse in here that is....

 

[NickD]

well you crack on then kid

Kid. Love it. I'll tell my 19 year old daughter I got called that.

 

[Silly Sausage]

RCD or No RCD Protection, I present you Exhibit 1 (from the MWC):

PART 4 Declaration
I/We CERTIFY that the said works do not impair the safety of the existing installation, that the said works have been
designed, constructed, inspected and tested in accordance with BS 7671:2008 (IET Wiring Regulations), amended to
................. (date) and that the said works, to the best of my/our knowledge and belief, at the time of my/our inspection,
complied with BS 7671 except as detailed in Part 1 above.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Kid. Love it. I'll tell my 19 year old daughter I got called that.

good lad..

 

[DPG]

hi Daz...hows it goin mate..

Going well ta.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Going well ta.

glad to hear it.

 

[Guest55]

read post 13, By adding a RCD socket you are still not protecting the cable you install, doing it the way Tel mentioned you protect the cable and new socket, the best suggestion in this thread by far and the right one IMHO.

for the love of god , take that broomhandle out your --- for 5 minutes.

whats the point of rcd'ing just 3 fookin feet of the houses entire internal wiring just to tick off a box on some crappy MWC ?


just move it , add nothing , change nothing.

;-)

 

[MDJ]

for the love of god , take that broomhandle out your --- for 5 minutes.

whats the point of rcd'ing just 3 fookin feet of the houses entire internal wiring just to tick off a box on a ****y MWC ?


just move it , add nothing , change nothing.

;-)

haha, regarding the rest of the post no I won't, well I will now because since My post the OP has mentioned a radiator is going over the existing position so that changes everything, otherwise Tels suggestion is the right way, up yours

 

[telectrix]

and say or write nowt.

 

[NickD]

whats the point of rcd'ing just 3 fookin feet of the houses entire internal wiring just to tick off a box on some crappy MWC?

Read the rest of the thread and see, bearing in mind different people are prepared to take different risks.

 

[jaypp]

I'd thought that, but the original socket position is going to get blocked by a radiator, which is the reason for the socket move.

moving 3ft to left. unless it's a very large radiator, can't that move a tad to the left?

 

[Guest55]

haha, regarding the rest of the post no I won't, well I will now because since My post the OP has mentioned a radiator is going over the existing position so that changes everything, otherwise Tels suggestion is the right way, up yours

sorry but that sounded gibberish ??? read it back again.
i think hanging around with sarz lately has addled your brain , the new monkey inspired nursery rhyme sig is just further evidence........

;-)

 

[Guest55]

Read the rest of the thread and see

wtf have i done to deserve that cruel imposition ?

;-)