Moving A Socket A Few Feet

[NickD]

Client wants (indoor, domestic) socket moved a matter of a few feet, assuming cable is not to be buried in wall, would you say for regs compliance socket must be RCD protected? I know the answer is liable to be yes because it's adding a new socket and decommissioning the old, but just wanted to pick some more experienced brains. I'm aware if the cable isn't buried I could just install a socket with integral RCD if the client is willing. Realistically they may go for the cowboy installer who'll just move the socket and not even worry about RCDs. :sad:

 

[NickD]

I suspect he means he does bury them less than 50mm deep but uses RCD's!

Or mechanically protected, or earthed containment system - out of interest does anyone rely on that much? I've wondered before why I've never seen something like T&E but incorporating a sheath (like the outer of coax) with means to reliably connect it to the CPC. (Answer, might as well just use armoured, I suppose.)

 

[Darkwood]

I suspect he means he does bury them less than 50mm deep but uses RCD's!

I suspect that too as i expressed but its not what it reads and to any readers on the learning curve it may be confusing to them.. we have the experience to spot the mistake but we have many on here who would read it as its worded and take it as factual.

 

[Darkwood]

Or mechanically protected, or earthed containment system - out of interest does anyone rely on that much? I've wondered before why I've never seen something like T&E but incorporating a sheath (like the outer of coax) with means to reliably connect it to the CPC. (Answer, might as well just use armoured, I suppose.)

At the introduction of RCD cover on cables less than 50mm a cable entered the market that was as you describe but it flopped as i believe the introduction of it was in the hope Electricians would use it rather than fit RCD's but 16th then 17th and stricter earth leakage rules saw the cable flop.

 

[Delboybully]

Fair enough, I could of worded it better. Also the statement was made in the context of the thread. I didnt mention additional protection for the cable for example because the thread was talking about RCD protection the cable so I made the assumption that there was no additional protection for the cable.

It wasnt a rant either, just my incredulation at some of the posts

 

[7029 dave]

Bury cables 50mm plus on new builds ha ha, they would be floating in the breeze!!.

 

[D Skelton]

I cant believe what I am reading here. Professional electricians DO NOT bury cables less than 50mm deep or install socket outlets without RCD protection, little old lady or not. If the customer cant afford it, then dont do the job. If you dont get the job then so be it, but sleep well safe in the knowledge that the jobs you do do are done correctly and safely.

This is from some respected members too. I suspect that if this was posted by someone who was not a respected member they would have been hung out to dry big time.

Leave this sort of work to the cowboys.

Some of us just live in the real world pal

 

[Delboybully]

Some of us just live in the real world pal

Is that what you told the MP's on the committee?

 

[D Skelton]

Is that what you told the MP's on the committee?

If the MP's asked me what I would do if I was asked to move a socket on a wall a couple of feet, I'd tell them that I would take it off the wall and move it a couple of feet! It doesn't need to be rocket science.

 

[NickD]

Some of us just live in the real world pal

Which is fine until the real world is on the other side of a barred window

 

[D Skelton]

Which is fine until the real world is on the other side of a barred window

Seriously!?!

What planet are we living on here! I'm gonna end up in prison because I moved a socket a few feet for little old Dorothy without adding RCD protection?!?

Get real man!

 

[Hawkmoon]

I bury cables less than 50mm deep, its standard practice otherwise you would be less than 50mm on the other side of the wall or have destroy the brickwork. Also there are times when wiring sockets when you can omit rcd protection... your statement was bold and but incorrect, i get your drift but you expressed it totally wrong, think about what your writing when you have a little rant!

5/10 For effort.

Assuming your point here is 411.3.3 exceptions?

 

[Delboybully]

Mr Skelton, I can see your argument on how it is better for you to install rather than DIY Dave or Bob from the pub, however I see it different and think things should be installed according to the regs, we have the regs for a reason. We should agree to disagree.

 

[NickD]

What planet are we living on here! I'm gonna end up in prison because I moved a socket a few feet for little old Dorothy without adding RCD protection?!?

Depends what happens to Dorothy at that addition where you should have added RCD protection.

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Manslaughter in English law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ipf]

Which is fine until the real world is on the other side of a barred window

I'd like an example of that....for someone qualified moving a socket 24''.

 

[D Skelton]

Mr Skelton, I can see your argument on how it is better for you to install rather than DIY Dave or Bob from the pub, however I see it different and think things should be installed according to the regs, we have the regs for a reason. We should agree to disagree.

And I would agree if someone wanted a socket adding, you are then making an alteration to a circuit, but seriously, taking one off the wall at point A and moving it a couple of feet over to point B?!

It's neither here nor there and is as good as replacing like for like in my book. You wanna call me a cowboy for taking a common sense approach, you knock yourself out mate.

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Depends what happens to Dorothy at that addition where you should have added RCD protection.

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Manslaughter in English law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IT IS NOT AN ADDITION!



I'm so done with this thread!