Neutrals at switches

[Guest 004]

Went to a job today, twin and earth, and it had been wired 2 plate, which of course meant that all the switches had the neutral taken to them.

WTF, if I had done that in my apprenticeship I would have been kicked off site.

Is this how things are done now, god I hope not.

 

[jeremy]

At college I was taught 2 methods; either take a SW/L and N to the fitting or a L and SW/L to the switch, whichever method is suitable for the application. If I'm wiring a light for a loft conversion why would I extend the supply to the fitting, probably on the same route as going to the switch, then come back again? I didn't have the benefit of an apprenticeship, but do try to apply logic to my actions and can't see why it's wrong to take a neutral to a switch position but if it is wrong, am perfectly ready to be educated.

 

[morph]

well if wiring a loft conversion
where will the circuit best be fed from? the switches because the supplies will run nicely under the floor up to the switches and then off to the fancy fittings that cant take 3 cables maybe ??

 

[Electricalserv]

Why haven't they made a switch that encorparates this then? If connector blocks are needed then obviously non of the manufacturers have picked up on the amount of sparks useing this method.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Why haven't they made a switch that encorparates this then? If connector blocks are needed then obviously non of the manufacturers have picked up on the amount of sparks useing this method.

Hager!

The wall switches feature a neutral loop terminal contained within the accessory. This allows contractors to complete the loop connection in the switch instead of in the ceiling rose to save extra wiring to the light fittings. Not only does this reduce cabling and the uncomfortable time spent working at ceiling level, but it also meets the needs of BS7671 since the connections are readily accessible for inspection.

 

[sparks1234]

If there's no need for a neutral at the switch

What a daft statement, look at it from a different point of view, there is no need for a permenant live at a ceiling pendant but its there.

Its just a different way of wiring, what can you fail it on?.....nothing.

 

[Guest 004]

who are hager? was he not in a cartoon or something,

a brand that i would not use, unless specified, hey who is specifying hager????

would love to see the 'better' brands do it though, that would close this argument for good!

 

[Electricalserv]

Personally I think its nonsense having so many cables in a small backbox. Especially when 2 & 3 way switching is involved. Just too many cables.

 

[IQ Electrical]

who are hager? was he not in a cartoon or something,

a brand that i would not use, unless specified, hey who is specifying hager????

would love to see the 'better' brands do it though, that would close this argument for good!

It's closed, case dismissed, the prosecution failed to turn up!

 

[VoltzElectrical]

how do i insert a photo?

 

[Guest 004]

What a daft statement, look at it from a different point of view, there is no need for a permenant live at a ceiling pendant but its there.

Its just a different way of wiring, what can you fail it on?.....nothing.

emergency lighting perhaps?

 

[Electricalserv]

With so many cables in a backbox there is certainly a more likelihood of damage to one of them cables. Especially in regards to screwing the faceplate on.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

hope this works

 

[VoltzElectrical]

not the switch! I know THAT works!!

 

[jeremy]

Isn't there an argument for both systems depending on the application?

 

[morph]

plenty of space in there