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[Farmelectrics]

The government have announced that all electricians working in domestic dwellings need to be qualified to nvq level 3 and have a jib card personally I think it's a great idea what's your thoughts and has anyone else herd the same

 

[Knobhead]

Has anyone looked to confirm this yet?
Didn’t think so.
Don’t start the calibrations yet.

Commenting, Clive Betts MP, Chair of the Communities and Local Government Committee, said:
“Under the current competent persons scheme the person actually carrying out the work in people’s homes does not have to be competent. Somebody whose only electrical qualification is that they have attended a five week training course simply should not be re-wiring houses. Yet this is what we were told is happening.

The person in the home wants to know that the person arriving on the doorstep is a qualified electrician. The current system does not guarantee this. Rather, it can brand the incompetent as competent.

Under the system as it stands the incompetent electrician has their work checked by a qualified supervisor. But we heard of some supervisors supervising over 3,000 notifiable pieces of work a year. I question whether they can adequately check work with such large caseloads.

Under the changes we propose people would know that the electrician working in their home is qualified. If, as scheme operators told us, standards of electricians are already high, then the added criteria will not be too onerous.

During the five-year transition there should be an annual limit—agreed by the industry—on the maximum number of transactions that a single qualified supervisor can review. This will increase the chance that in the interim unqualified electricians will at least be having their work properly checked by a qualified supervisor."

 

[Badged01]

I think it all boils down to the "competent person" (by whichever way you want to define that) should only be doing/signing his own work and not signing-off the work of others not deemed "competent" as a short cut! If thoroughly supervised maybe, but that involves spending time with the supervised person, instructing, watching and assessing -- apprentice?!?!?. NOT being office bound signing paperwork off once the job is completed as is currently done/allowed?!?

The problem with that though is essentially every "electrician" under the Part "P" scheme would need to be assessed for competence. Excellent for the householder, won't please the big companies to do it --- ££££££££'s ---- but the scheme providers would like it

 

[D Skelton]

Watch this space for the 5 week NVQ3 course ........

It already exists, and has done so since the select committee started receiving evidence from us. It's called the City & Guilds 2397; Level 3 NVQ Certificate in Installing, Testing and Ensuring Compliance of Electrical Installation Work in Dwellings.

It takes five weeks to do and guess what is so dangerous about it... All the scams can now say "All our new registered sparks have got an NVQ3, just like the committee wanted."

The scams are devious little f**ckers!!!

 

[NickD]

Ha. Capitalism 8 - Government 0. Usual story.

(Maria Miller red card & sent off, 73rd minute)

 

[R G]

Its a right frigging joke this , just when they're might have been some light at the end of it , scams have devised a way round it ,,,

The very ones that all the properly qualified guys have paid good money into nearly all their lives are now doing the dirty on them,,,Nice ,,,

 

[ipf]

It already exists, and has done so since the select committee started receiving evidence from us. It's called the City & Guilds 2397; Level 3 NVQ Certificate in Installing, Testing and Ensuring Compliance of Electrical Installation Work in Dwellings.

It takes five weeks to do and guess what is so dangerous about it... All the scams can now say "All our new registered sparks have got an NVQ3, just like the committee wanted."

The scams are devious little f**ckers!!!

Yep, a full five weeks worth of Vocational Qualification.........

 

[D Skelton]

Its a right frigging joke this , just when they're might have been some light at the end of it , scams have devised a way round it ,,,

The very ones that all the properly qualified guys have paid good money into nearly all their lives are now doing the dirty on them,,,Nice ,,,

The main thing is, although they may have found a way around the technicalities of the report, they will not be able to find a way around the spirit of the report.

The fact remains, Cive Betts said quite clearly that those with only five weeks worth of training should not be rewiring houses. No matter how much the scams like to dress up their latest 'qualifications', this recommendation will not be met, therefore I for one will continue to fight them until it is!

 

[MookyDaz]

Had a lad on site the other day openly bragging that he did all his quals n 5 weeks and that 4 year apprenticeships are and I quote "a ****ing pointless waste of time"

Yeah, cheers mate

 

[Badged01]

The scams are devious little f**ckers!!!

So a quick sum up of scores on the doors ........
Schemes -- 1
Skelton -- 0

 

[D Skelton]

So a quick sum up of scores on the doors ........
Schemes -- 1
Skelton -- 0

Not quite yet lol.

I don't think the jury's quite out on this one!

 

[Guest55]

The government have announced that all electricians working in domestic dwellings need to be qualified to nvq level 3 and have a jib card personally I think it's a great idea what's your thoughts and has anyone else herd the same

this statement doesnt mean jack without a link to its source........

 

[nickblake]

So does that mean i'd have to get an NVQ because in my day an NVQ was a type of hair cream

 

[snowhead]

So does that mean i'd have to get an NVQ because in my day an NVQ was a type of hair cream

No

Because IF the idea was adopted it wouldn't be immediately retrospective.
I suspect it would firstly be for all new members registering with a Scam.

Then there would be a grace period of at least 5 years if not 10 for everyone to upgrade.

 

[Knobhead]

It can’t and won’t come in one fell swoop much as I would like it to (why I don’t know, I’ve never done domestic.) But I’ll defend true tradesmen to the last.

As in Steve Betts statement a progressive process has to be put in place. I’m sorry* if some of the Electrical Trainee’s fall by the wayside. But if they can’t cope with the requirements they shouldn’t have been in the trade in the first place.

*no I’m not! The sooner you in trade get your act together the better.

 

[stevethesparks]

where has this announcement been made/published

JIB welcomes Select Committee report on Part ?P? | Joint Industry Board

I think I'll hang onto my £444 a little longer until I hear more