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[Farmelectrics]

The government have announced that all electricians working in domestic dwellings need to be qualified to nvq level 3 and have a jib card personally I think it's a great idea what's your thoughts and has anyone else herd the same

 

[MDJ]

I have got 236 parts 1 &2 and I got the 2391 in 2004 , Previously I had a registration card with the JIB , I asked what it would have taken to get an approved JIB card , they told me that I needed the 2391 , which I did and then they issued a Approved Gold card ,,

point is Ray, Richard has already owned a JIB Approved card, so he just needs to get the application form and fill in the renewel bit rather than the apply for bit, sign the back pay his 24 quid and stick his national insurance number on the form. If he has owned a card previously they will know all about him. I previously reapplied for my card which ran out in 2000. I got mine no trouble, they knew all my qualifications and my JIB grade just from my national insurance number, I trained over 30 years ago and they still had my records.

 

[MDJ]

To add to my last post, He may need to show them a 17th qualification if he was 16th last time he owned an Approved card, and he will need to sit the CSCS exam which is impossible to fail, it is 45 quid and 40 silly questions on site safety.

 

[R G]

point is Ray, Richard has already owned a JIB Approved card, so he just needs to get the application form and fill in the renewel bit rather than the apply for bit, sign the back pay his 24 quid and stick his national insurance number on the form. If he has owned a card previously they will know all about him. I previously reapplied for my card which ran out in 2000. I got mine no trouble, they knew all my qualifications and my JIB grade just from my national insurance number, I trained over 30 years ago and they still had my records.

He shouldn't have any trouble then , They would probably have all his details, He should contact the ASAP to get it sorted , when I worked for SEC they did not bother at all with the JIB system , they had their own internal system of Band Gradings , and would not even bother with anything other than parts 1 & 2 ,

Yes I did the 16th at the same time as the 2391 as well , thats what they asked for , so I suppose yes they will want to see the 17th ...

 

[Andy78]

To add to my last post, He may need to show them a 17th qualification if he was 16th last time he owned an Approved card, and he will need to sit the CSCS exam which is impossible to fail, it is 45 quid and 40 silly questions on site safety.

I know of someone who failed it........ and no it wasn't me.

 

[R G]

I know of someone who failed it........ and no it wasn't me.

That would be hard to fail ,,unless I suppose he may have been a young lad who couldn't be bothered , and was employed and didn't care ...

 

[shanky887614]

I know of someone who failed it........ and no it wasn't me.

did they die during the test?

I cant believe anyone living could fail the test

 

[MDJ]

He shouldn't have any trouble then , They would probably have all his details, He should contact the ASAP to get it sorted , when I worked for SEC they did not bother at all with the JIB system , they had their own internal system of Band Gradings , and would not even bother with anything other than parts 1 & 2 ,

Yes I did the 16th at the same time as the 2391 as well , thats what they asked for , so I suppose yes they will want to see the 17th ...

you are very highly qualified IMO, but will need the 17th to get a new gold card.

 

[MDJ]

I know of someone who failed it........ and no it wasn't me.

That suprises me Andy lol, it was ridiculously easy, I think anyone who has even a inclin of what H&S is about would pass it, even the wife would I reckon.

 

[R G]

I take my hat off to some of you guys on here , I unfortunately have stuck to manly domestic and some commercial work , and have over time (30 years or so ) become bogged down with the board etc and just not moved on the way I would have liked , Don't get me wrong I have the enthusiasm but thats whats happened , When I stumbled along this forum and since then as well I have become to see what can be picked up from you guys , and to be honest I didn't know about some of the issues that all sparks now face , So now I see why the JIB card and gradings are or will become important as time goes on ,,,,

 

[tbs1983]

Problem in my opinion is that the electrical industry is policed by profit making organisations (NIC, ECA etc) therefore it is in their interest to accept every man and his dog to make more money.
We need one government run not for profit organisation that has strict entry criteria and that can be properly marketed country wide as 'THE' electrical safety body.

Until this happens we will be going round in circles between government, scam providers and electricians trying to find a suitable answer, where in my opinion the only solution is the one I (and many others) suggest above.

 

[Engineer54]

Problem in my opinion is that the electrical industry is policed by profit making organisations (NIC, ECA etc)

The problem is, that none of the Scams do any policing, as it's not in their interest to do so. They are all basically parasitic organisations feeding on the captive cash cow legislation in force. None of these Scam providers give much in return for the excessive annual fee's they demand, they basically leave you and your customer(s) to fight any disputes out between yourselves!!

Yep, the only real way forward is a National Register of Qualified Electricians, with realistic entry requirements and the teeth to police the system....

 

[ipf]

To add to my last post, He may need to show them a 17th qualification if he was 16th last time he owned an Approved card, and he will need to sit the CSCS exam which is impossible to fail, it is 45 quid and 40 silly questions on site safety.

One lads we had once failed it, only early 20's. He put 240v instead of 230, one of his slip ups.

 

[R G]

I carried out a job yesterday morning , Installed a ducted fan to a bathroom and install wiring ready for LED wiring in the bathroom , There was Split load Consumer unit already in place, RCD covering all sockets ,with RCBO to first floor lights not to ground floor with cables buried in wall , so should have had an RCBO instead off MCB on ground floor lighting , 6mm main earth to consumer unit with25 mm tails (PME system ) no main bonding at all , This was installed in 2011 , with an NICEIC domestic Installer certificate on site , Guess what it says main earth is 16mm , and Main Bonding to oil and water service ticked and is 10mm on the certificate, I put all that right whilst on site , but its a joke that the system is not being policed at all , I told the customer and all he had to say was that is why your here and he wouldn't have the guy back , there should be a system in place where we can report them , but all the NIC are going to say is the customer should sort it with the guy themselves , I know because I have had the same thing before , they don't want to know,,

 

[Octopus]

I carried out a job yesterday morning , Installed a ducted fan to a bathroom and install wiring ready for LED wiring in the bathroom , There was Split load Consumer unit already in place, RCD covering all sockets ,with RCBO to first floor lights not to ground floor with cables buried in wall , so should have had an RCBO instead off MCB on ground floor lighting , 6mm main earth to consumer unit with25 mm tails (PME system ) no main bonding at all , This was installed in 2011 , with an NICEIC domestic Installer certificate on site , Guess what it says main earth is 16mm , and Main Bonding to oil and water service ticked and is 10mm on the certificate, I put all that right whilst on site , but its a joke that the system is not being policed at all , I told the customer and all he had to say was that is why your here and he wouldn't have the guy back , there should be a system in place where we can report them , but all the NIC are going to say is the customer should sort it with the guy themselves , I know because I have had the same thing before , they don't want to know,,

I think we should all report these chancers, because if we don't the schemes can say the complaints don't exist! Then the schemes should follow them up and make assessments more rigorous for such individuals.

 

[R G]

I think we should all report these chancers, because if we don't the schemes can say the complaints don't exist! Then the schemes should follow them up and make assessments more rigorous for such individuals.

I had all this out with the NIC before , all they say its between the customer and the guy , and if thats not resolved , the customer is to report it to the NIC , Looks to me as if they are putting obstacles in the way so that nothing goes to them and making it difficult,,

I don't know how many I have seen like this , this is happening everywhere as this must be tip of an iceberg.
You may even think the scams are just running themselves in to the ground , not sure ,,