NICEIC Certification Scheme NICEIC Blackmail

[GLENNSPARK]

The NIC should have stuck to what they used to do , offer only 1 scheme approved contractor and thats it , with domestic installer status included .
the domestic installer route they have gone down has made them more sell sell , and now offer D/I courses , I think many who have been with them some time feel that its all gone down the pan,,,

well i`m AC anyway...so i dont care about their `domestic installer` rubbish....and i`m still rackin my brains at what a `domestic installer` is supposed to be

 

[High Tower]

This is completely irrelevant to the OP. NICEIC, although they would love to be, are not involved in grading cards. I am not saying that the JIB are run like a well oiled machine but what I am implying is that there is absolutely no place for organisations such as the NICEIC. They are an unnecessary middle man between electricians and the end product. I have to admit that their marketing and manipulation talents are second to none.

I have no doubt that you are well qualified and have a lot of literature. To be honest it just disappoints me that there are sparks out there like yourself who are supporting the NICEIC while there are others who rightfully make a stand against these leeches

I don't support them but, I want to work in certain sectors, so I pay my money, jump through my hoops and put my tender in! It's not ideal but I'd rather this than sitting at home skint with my ideals intact!.


Yea the insistence does bar some good non NIC contractors from certain works but it also serves to keep the total chancers away from the better work

 

[R G]

Again i won't get involved in the present argument, save to say, that at this moment in time the JIB/SJIB, are the ONLY organisation where you will not find a single electrical trainee 17 Whizz Kidd on the books.
Yes the JIB have many problems, but at least they do have a sound and recognised route and recognised standards for qualified electricians and upholds those standards...

So credit where credits due!! lol!!

Totally agree , the JIB have not kept up with the times and needs updating , but what else is there that looks at the qualifications , we need a scheme with qualifications and licensing combined , If the JIB is brought right up to date with the likes of what the NIC used to be combined that would help all true sparks

 

[GLENNSPARK]

So we have agreement where to start then.

This is how we should focus our anger.....

I suspect the majority of people unhappy about the fees are the Sole Traders like me.

its anyone who feels their getting a tanned arse every year courtesy of them Murdoch......

or feel they are getting `left out`....just because they didn`t pay into the NIC luncheon club...so cant sit at the council work table so to speak...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I don't support them but, I want to work in certain sectors, so I pay my money, jump through my hoops and put my tender in! It's not ideal but I'd rather this than sitting at home skint with my ideals intact!.


Yea the insistence does bar some good non NIC contractors from certain works but it also serves to keep the total chancers away from the better work

well...this is pretty much what the council guy in the markets was saying Aiden....

still denying perfectly competant folks from getting a crust though...isn`t it...

and its wrong....

 

[brizospark]

HT you are supporting them by paying your fee every year, you are contributing to a group of thieves bar lunches. OK you may bit the bullet and join because it benefits you but where are your principles and thought for the other sparks who simply cannot afford to fund this each year

 

[Plonker 3]

Following on from what has been said, does the figure banded around of next to no people being removed from CPS, does this include NICEIE approved contractors too?

 

[High Tower]

HT you are supporting them by paying your fee every year, you are contributing to a group of thieves bar lunches. OK you may bit the bullet and join because it benefits you but where are your principles and thought for the other sparks who simply cannot afford to fund this each year

It's not a case of if sparks can afford it, if your bidding for such contracts then you should be a solvent company, be it ltd or sole trader, so it's a business decision, pay your fees and carry out the work, or don't and find work in a different sector!.

I agree with most the sentiments, and I'm not keen on the cash cow!, but if it becomes open shop then suddenly Barry from the pub can get involved in some of the good works. Yes I believe that such works should be opened to other schemes, but the problem is, the others are not commercial orientated, so only assess on domestic.

 

[Plonker 3]

But surly you get the job based on ability not because you pay a third party to be allowed to bid on it?

 

[brizospark]

High tower you have been completely roped in. Sparks were trading just fine before the nic evolved

 

[Plonker 3]

If councils and other companies insist on you being NIC AC registered, why don't they pay the NIC for your assessment? If your company fails the assessment you then have to pay it out of your own pocket.

 

[UNG]

Any fees need to be levelled "per" sparky, not per organisation. That's where we should be united.

That does really rub me up, I live very close to the HQ of NG Baileys and it racks me off that they have the same inspection with the same engineer and pay the same fee as little ole me! I have to agree with you 100%

That is why there is so much resistance to an individual licence scheme by the big players

I'm going to start my own organisation and monitor milk suppliers. I will make my living from visiting all the different dairy farms in the country and make sure they are adhering to standards that have been put in place by the food standards agency and make sure these dairy farmers are complying with rules they are already aware of. My plan is to then approach the supermarkets and manipulate them into strictly buying from dairy farmers which are registered in my scheme. Of course there will be an extortionate fee for these dairy farmers to be part of my scheme and it will provide me with a good living. It doesn't matter that i will be taking a cut of their hard earned profits, they need the supermarkets so they will have no option but to join.

Dairy farmers are struggling as it is to make a profit the supermarkets just want cheap

The NIC should have stuck to what they used to do , offer only 1 scheme approved contractor and thats it , with domestic installer status included .
the domestic installer route they have gone down has made them more sell sell , and now offer D/I courses , I think many who have been with them some time feel that its all gone down the pan,,,

The defined scope thing they brought in years ago was the start of the slippery slope

It's not a case of if sparks can afford it, if your bidding for such contracts then you should be a solvent company, be it ltd or sole trader, so it's a business decision, pay your fees and carry out the work, or don't and find work in a different sector!.

I agree with most the sentiments, and I'm not keen on the cash cow!, but if it becomes open shop then suddenly Barry from the pub can get involved in some of the good works. Yes I believe that such works should be opened to other schemes, but the problem is, the others are not commercial orientated, so only assess on domestic.

I don't think the NIC are most of the assessors won't go near the big jobs as it takes too much assessment time up they would rather see a few smaller jobs of different types. When the assessor calls he can be steered to a choice of a few selected jobs so a cover up can be done by the bigger firms. Had to laugh years ago when an assessor went through the job book and wanted to go to a particular job told him he didn't have the necessary security clearance's to get on site so there was no chance on this visit but if he came back at the NIC's expense we may be able to sort it

 

[Brightspark2]

But surly you get the job based on ability not because you pay a third party to be allowed to bid on it?

How do they know you have the ability?...


Maybe there could be a third party to verify this?...

 

[Plonker 3]

How do they know you have the ability?...


Maybe there could be a third party to verify this?...

So all NIC sparks who are AC are competent?

 

[trev]

So all NIC sparks who are AC are competent?

Of course they are! They've been rigorously checked and vetted by trained experts who can verify their ability to stump up a grand