Phasing nightmare

[Michael Smith]

No, it will generate what is needed to power the load connected to it as long as that load is less than its max output.
The power input required will always be higher than the power output for any given load.
The difference will be relative to its %efficiency.

so a power source that consumes less than the output power, but has the torque to turn the generator at the speed required, that would work?

 

[trev]

No machine known to man gives out more power than it consumes.

 

[Silly Sausage]

My Mrs seems to expend more verbal energy than her calorific input.

 

[snowhead]

My Mrs seems to expend more verbal energy than her calorific input.

Special breed, Women, can't be compared to anything else on the Planet..

 

[trev]

My Mrs seems to expend more verbal energy than her calorific input.

They all seem to but even women are less than 100% efficient. Put some beer into them and it all goes to hell in a handcart.

 

[Knobhead]

Escher has the answer to this.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Escher has the answer to this.

Try drawing that on AutoCAD!

I've got a book of Escher's drawings, quality it is.

 

[Gavin A]

thats where you are wrong ...... the equipment is above ground..... the pool is below ground meaning itll need more 'power' to pump the water up
3 x 24KW heating pumps...... 72KW
2 x 3KW filter pumps...... 6KW Krystal Clear Pump and Filter Set 0.95hp pump with 7.9m3 per hour flow rate - Model 3 [Krystal Clear Pump Filter Model3] - £345.00 :
1 x water treatment monitor 3KW
5 x dehumidifiers 9KW Meaco 800i Range Pool Dehumidifiers [Meaco 800i] - £3,633.27 :

you don't actually need anything like as power hungry as all that.

what the hell do you need 9kW of dehumidifiers for, and 72kW of water heating pumps? are you talking heat pumps the the 72kW being the heat output, or actual pumping power.

To give you an idea, we're monitoring a big house with 10x5m indoor pool, sauna, jacuzzi, and the whole lot draws around 4kW + gas boiler for the heat side, and even that system has far too big a dehumidifier system.

 

[Gavin A]

ps being as you obviously have more money than sense, I'd be happy to design and fit a combined solar PV system with battery back up, and heat pump to heat the pool.

a heat pump can turn 1kW electricity into 2.5-4kW heat as well, so you should like that.

 

[Besoeker]

come on guys..... i want serious solutions.... :book:

Then ask a serious question.

 

[Engineer54]

you don't actually need anything like as power hungry as all that.

what the hell do you need 9kW of dehumidifiers for, and 72kW of water heating pumps? are you talking heat pumps the the 72kW being the heat output, or actual pumping power.

To give you an idea, we're monitoring a big house with 10x5m indoor pool, sauna, jacuzzi, and the whole lot draws around 4kW + gas boiler for the heat side, and even that system has far too big a dehumidifier system.

He just likes BIG numbers, unfortunately going by the previous posts on this thread you'll never convince this guy, he can't or is incapable of taking on board real world Facts.

I'm still wondering about a super sized Swimming pool located in the basement, what's holding up the house above it?? Sky columns perhaps, ...you know, similar to the Sky hooks that apprentices used to get sent to the stores or wholesalers for!!! ...lol!!

 

[Michael Smith]

its an underground house build with concrete NO bricks, more stable that way and more robust (added mesh) so in fact the above ground building will have a 10M deep foundation, possible of holding a 12 storey flat..... in theory.
it would be built in stages starting at the bottom..... foundation, then build the rooms from wooden boards and help in place with scaffold poles and whatever else necessary to hold it together during the curing and drying of the concrete around it (then removed, leaving concrete walls and ceiling), then the same again for the floors above, the only brickwork will be the above ground entrance and garage (plus the power house, which will have a fan on a flat roof to suck the air out and a filter membrane side wall for air coming in(length or the building))

i would include a picture, but i cant 'url' it to a picture on my pc :/

 

[shanky887614]

its an underground house build with concrete NO bricks, more stable that way and more robust (added mesh) so in fact the above ground building will have a 10M deep foundation, possible of holding a 12 storey flat..... in theory.
it would be built in stages starting at the bottom..... foundation, then build the rooms from wooden boards and help in place with scaffold poles and whatever else necessary to hold it together during the curing and drying of the concrete around it (then removed, leaving concrete walls and ceiling), then the same again for the floors above, the only brickwork will be the above ground entrance and garage (plus the power house, which will have a fan on a flat roof to suck the air out and a filter membrane side wall for air coming in(length or the building))

i would include a picture, but i cant 'url' it to a picture on my pc :/

upload to imageshack or similar

 

[Michael Smith]

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[ipf]

its an underground house build with concrete NO bricks, more stable that way and more robust (added mesh) so in fact the above ground building will have a 10M deep foundation, possible of holding a 12 storey flat..... in theory.
it would be built in stages starting at the bottom..... foundation, then build the rooms from wooden boards and help in place with scaffold poles and whatever else necessary to hold it together during the curing and drying of the concrete around it (then removed, leaving concrete walls and ceiling), then the same again for the floors above, the only brickwork will be the above ground entrance and garage (plus the power house, which will have a fan on a flat roof to suck the air out and a filter membrane side wall for air coming in(length or the building))

i would include a picture, but i cant 'url' it to a picture on my pc :/

Fun wiring that, then.