Plastic consumer units and how to code them

[Soi disant]

So in most of the UK a "qualification" to "allow" house wiring is not easily obtained by anyone who can demonstrate a very basic level of ability?

 

[DPG]

So in most of the UK a "qualification" to "allow" house wiring is not easily obtained by anyone who can demonstrate a very basic level of ability?

Is it a riddle?

 

[nicebutdim]

So in most of the UK a "qualification" to "allow" house wiring is not easily obtained by anyone who can demonstrate a very basic level of ability?

The difference would be that domestic installers must demonstrate some understanding of electrical principles, whereas no one is required to learn basic physics before taking to the road.

 

[Soi disant]

Is it a riddle?

I didn't think so.

I'll start again.

Might be down to the fact that driving licences are easily obtained by anyone who can demonstrate a very basic level of ability.

[sarcasm]Unlike a qualification to wire up houses.[/sarcasm]

 

[Soi disant]

The difference would be that domestic installers must demonstrate some understanding of electrical principles,

I'm afraid the evidence suggests otherwise.

 

[nicebutdim]

I'm afraid the evidence suggests otherwise.

In order to qualify they must do exactly that. It may be that the required level of understanding is less than ideal, or less than you might like, but nonetheless those requirements are in place.

 

[DPG]

I'm going to have another IPA, and reassess the situation.

Note, I have had 6 drinks and I am still puntuating correctly.

 

[UNG]

The difference would be that domestic installers must demonstrate some understanding of electrical principles, whereas no one is required to learn basic physics before taking to the road.

You mean the principles and physics of connecting a socket, light switch or a pendant lampholder

I was always told until you pass your driving test you don't learn to drive and the same goes for the electrical industry until you finish your apprenticeship and you are on your own do you learn how to be an electrician as the decision making comes down to you

 

[nicebutdim]

You mean the principles and physics of connecting a socket, light switch or a pendant lampholder

I was always told until you pass your driving test you don't learn to drive and the same goes for the electrical industry until you finish your apprenticeship and you are on your own do you learn how to be an electrician as the decision making comes down to you

Are you suggesting that there is no requirement to learn anything about electrical principles by trainee electricians?

 

[UNG]

Are you suggesting that there is no requirement to learn anything about electrical principles by trainee electricians?

You said domestic installers there is a limit on what can be taught in a few weeks before you are supposedly "qualified",

 

[nicebutdim]

You said domestic installers there is a limit on what can be taught in a few weeks before you are supposedly "qualified",

Indeed. This thread drifted so far that I can barely remember my own words.

 

[old man sparky]

A domestic installer is a term developed by governing bodies like NICEIC, and means Jack Poo when it comes to experience and qualifications. A company can be registered has an Approved Contractor, and under that umbrella send a young lad 1 year into his apprenticeship to cover work way out of his league. And before you say that shouldn't happen, we all know that, but real world it does. And often. If someone qualifies as an electrician but works on domestic installs all his life, then I call that a domestic electrician. But a fully qualified electrician, really needs to have commercial as well as domestic work under there belt. Part P has done no favours in this field, because you now have defined scope Domestic Installers which is ridiculous. The JIB have a better idea, grading a sparks on qualifications and ability. Not fool proof granted. But an NICEIC Approved contractor would mean nothing to me if I were for example a facilities manager. I would want to know what experience and quals the operative on the tools had before letting them loose on my electrics.

 

[Soi disant]

In order to qualify they must do exactly that. It may be that the required level of understanding is less than ideal, or less than you might like, but nonetheless those requirements are in place.

I guess it depends on what you mean by electrical principles.

To me that means things like Ohm's Law, why cables have to be certain sizes, why installation methods matter, the characteristics of OPDs, what bonding does and why and how it is not earthing, the nature of different supply types....

Not "the blue one goes here and the brown one there".

A domestic installer is a term developed by governing bodies like NICEIC, and means Jack Poo when it comes to experience and qualifications.

Experience is a factor in anything and everything, no matter how rigorous and comprehensive the qualifications-related training.

But regarding qualifications..

To register as a Domestic Installer two qualifications are generally required:

1. Current Level 3 Award in the Requirements for Electrical Installations (17th Edition), and either
2. Level 3 Award in the Initial Verification and Certification of Electrical Installations, or
3. Level 3 Award in Approving Electrical Work in Dwellings in Compliance with Building Regulations.

These qualifications can be achieved relatively quickly with a recommended learning period of around 100 hours in total. That could be as little as 3 weeks depending on centre requirements and prior experience.

Part P has done no favours in this field, because you now have defined scope Domestic Installers which is ridiculous.

As I said - DI status can be easily obtained by anyone who can demonstrate a very basic level of ability.

 

[nicebutdim]

I guess it depends on what you mean by electrical principles.

To me that means things like Ohm's Law, why cables have to be certain sizes, why installation methods matter, the characteristics of OPDs, what bonding does and why and how it is not earthing, the nature of different supply types....

Not "the blue one goes here and the brown one there".

Surely domestic installers are taught those very subjects?

Don't get me wrong; I'm not in favour of the whole domestic installer idea, but I'd imagine everything covered in your sentence to be central to their training.

 

[old man sparky]

Surely domestic installers are taught those very subjects?

Don't get me wrong; I'm not in favour of the whole domestic installer idea, but I'd imagine everything covered in your sentence to be central to their training.

Not "the blue one goes here and the brown one there" But if they know where the black and red ones go that could be an indication of experience, ? Very loosely, and tongue in cheek of course. ?