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Sick of 5WWs? Sick of scam schemes? Sick of laughable training providers?

We as fully qualified electricians deserve better. The public deserve better. Get on here, start hitting the like button, share share share and spead the word guys!!!

We are boycotting the schemes, they can shove their £500 assessment fees where the sun don't shine! We are the industry, not them, so there's absolutely no need to let these parasitic organisations run around acting on our behalf!

Save our trade!!!

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If you want a licence to practice then you should support the SparkSafe Licence to Practice initiative. (www.sparksafeltp.co.uk)

I've no interest in supporting a system that allows reduced skill levels of any kind. I want the scams gone and a license to practice on an individual basis.

Core qualification and NVQ3 being the minimum required qualifications to get a licence.

There is no such thing as a 'Domestic Installer'!
 
[h=1]What is SparkSafe[/h] [h=3]SparkSafe is…[/h]
  • A charitable and social enterprise
  • Established for the benefit of the industry – workers, employers and customers
  • Supported and endorsed by industry partners
  • Linked to the public procurement of construction contracts
  • A system designed to differentiate and distinguish the competency of electrical construction workers
[h=3]SparkSafe is not…[/h]
  • A static register
  • A self certification scheme
  • A profit & loss organisation
  • For the few, the elite or the large contractor
  • Is not an alternative Health & Safety card
  • Is not a JIB Card


Being honest Risteard im not sure i see the point in this sparksafe, considering opening that link you sent was the first time i've ever heard of it and i read connections and ECA today alot so it can't be that supported and endorsed by industry partners.
 
Hey, I disagree with your whole premise, and believe that your attacking a ‘red herring” i.e., the Registration Bodies and the short course people – neither of which have any bearing on “saving your trade” or anybody else’s and in-fact IMO have no effect on public safety.

Before you all kick off, this is my opinion, an opinion I’m hereditarily entitled to as a free Englishman, and one which is based on drugs, drink and loose women……..Oooh and fact (ish)

If a so called ‘License to Trade” with a mandatory NVQ3 run by a single body, let me guess the JIB (aka employment agency fluffers), it is inevitable in-fact a certainty, that the thousands of pounds short course will turn into the “thousands of pounds qualification for License”.

But that seems ok to many on here now!!, (I’m alright Jack)…………… cos they naively think they’re safe, with their NVQ3. But what do you think will be the inevitability in a commercial and capitalists system, where share holders want their pound of flesh and registered charity’s (NICEIC) are in it for profit, what’s the next step on this slippery slope …… yep you’ve guessed it……wait for it………..a new shinny qualification none of us have, at a competitive price of say £3000-£5000-£600000000000000……….:freak:


If you care about public safety, attack City & Guilds or the NVQ/Agency/low wage/blacklisting bile pushers the JIB, or however comes out with the sanctimonious dumbing down of qualifications and sells them. Or perhaps take a deeper look at the education system or, maybe ask yourself does a domestic electrician need to be a physics postgraduate or law degree specialist in British Standards to wire a domestic installation. IMO no…..the vast majority of domestic stuff is in the league of perhaps “o” level domestic science student (GCSE cooking standard), its all standard circuit stuff with no design or thought…real electricians are the Thomas Edison’s and George Ohms (neither of which had NVQs by the way) and all of which used independent thought, much to the dismay of their then “qualified peers”.

I have a C&G 2360 1 & 2, a C&G2391, a C&G2382, a science degree and a decade of tiredness, I know very little and learn from here and else where everyday, which is good and how it should be………… I like being who I am, Im not an electrician, nope, I’m me……do I care about this trade? A little………I do it to survive, doing as little “real work” as possible,……….do I support restrictions to trade and protected professions……….no chance, cos I’m not thick. If it comes about, I’ll creep under the wire and continue with no worries and say FU, cos I know what I’m doing (a bit) and I don’t care what quals I don’t have…if you think your better than me, more qualified…………….. then I say……. in this monetary, capitalist, s*** hole of a country, charge more than me cos your worth it.:bucktooth:
 
I get it's a system where you state what you can and can't do as an electrician...and then potential clients log on and find what electricians there looking for.

But can you really see the public using this? I can't to be fair, they'll just ask Bob the butcher down the road or use these conning tradesmen websites if they're looking for someone to stick an outside light up.

Half the battle isn't just the Electrical Trainee, it's the fact the clients are aren't arsed - aslong as it works, it must be safe - according to them.
 
Being honest Risteard im not sure i see the point in this sparksafe, considering opening that link you sent was the first time i've ever heard of it and i read connections and ECA today alot so it can't be that supported and endorsed by industry partners.

That's because it's being piloted in the north of Ireland first, and is administered by the Electrical Training Trust (ETT) who are responsible for all the Apprenticeships here.
 
Fault finding because RCD CU main isolator is tripping 2 days ago following roof work by Polish guys.
The customer said 'shall I get Polish back to find the fault''
I strongly advised against that.
The public are always looking for the cheapest way out, laws are needed to discourage them.
 
My 2 pennies worth.

If you are a good neat tidy polite electrician with a consience and know your stuff, you will get plenty of good work, regardless of how many fly by night idiots are out there.

When called out to a fault on some production line, and the idiot turns up and don't have a clue, the company in question won't have them again. When you turn up, know what your looking at, quickly diagnose the problem, they will have you again.

Let the idiot Electrical Trainee serve the idiot customers! I don't want there kind of work anyway!
 

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