wiring help required

[Mwoods4757]

i was trying to install 2 switched fused conenection units on a ring circuit. at the start of the job i cut through a live wire which tripped the whole db. i connected the fcus ok. then put a socket plate on another one which had been wired ready. when i turned the board on the socket with the fcus has no power anymore this is the one which i origanlly cut through and the new socket has power but every time i test between earth it trips the whole board again... anoyone any ideas?

 

[Guest112]

times are hard and the future is dark i shouldve bought a lottery ticket the day i got my apprenticeship 1200 people applied for 2 positions when i got mine and that was before this recession rubbish no wonder these quick courses popped up, all i can say is fair play to the ones who want it bad enough to do the three year day release themselves and do that to get their foot in the door good effort to thosze boys

 

[alarm man]

times are hard and the future is dark i shouldve bought a lottery ticket the day i got my apprenticeship 1200 people applied for 2 positions when i got mine and that was before this recession rubbish no wonder these quick courses popped up, all i can say is fair play to the ones who want it bad enough to do the three year day release themselves and do that to get their foot in the door good effort to thosze boys

quick courses have been around a while.6 month wonder boys they were know in the late 80's early 90's never known one end up a jib spark,never met one either tbh,tho the quick course kids these days are just that, quick too quick and the promise of a pot of gold once they hand over the money,they are dangerous as previous posts have proved.

 

[gottahugenoggin]

To be honest looking back it it now i dont think its value for money because how can you even learn the basics in that given time.Its all ok learning in the classroom but to take things in and remember them they need to be put into practice on a regular basis.And thats just the theory side.Things are far too rushed.I was nieve when i signed up and i think it would be fair to say "fooled".i dont think i was ignorant to the fact but i didn't know how much was actually involved.As for employment then im "keeping it real".ive done a quick fix course and i imagine any employer would avoid it like the plaque,and i totally understand, given the reputation of some of the "electricians" that have completed these courses.Which moves me onto the next question.Id like to think im ambitious,i want to learn and do my job to the best of my abillity,however some students have a different view,they dont seem to care,they'll only put in enough to scrape through the exams and nothing more,some even turned up with there books in there wrappers when the should of done 140 hours of revision! There's no wonder the courses have a bad rep is there really? and oh yer ill be finished in the new year so all you guys better watch out,there's gonna be a new sheriff in town ha ha......well actually ill be on here asking you guys how to wire a 2 way switch!

 

[Rampage]

When you lot go on about people doing a 6 week course and still not having a clue, what aspect are you talking about?
Using tools?
Method of building construction?
Basic electricity theory?
Types of wiring?
Cable installation techniques?
Cable termination?
Fault finding?
Testing / inspection?
All of the above?
or something else?

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[alarm man]

When you lot go on about people doing a 6 week course and still not having a clue, what aspect are you talking about?
Using tools?
Method of building construction?
Basic electricity theory?
Types of wiring?
Cable installation techniques?
Cable termination?
Fault finding?
Testing / inspection?
All of the above?
or something else?

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all of the above

 

[gottahugenoggin]

im doing a 6 week course and i still struggle with cable calcs,im ok on the tools,id like to think im tidy,give it i may take 10 times longer! oh and i struggle with problem solving,which is why im on here reading the problem pages.Would it actually be a problem if it wasn't a stuggle?

 

[Specialist]

Worked with a few in the Eighties that had been on the 6 month Skillcentre courses & not 1 of them had a real clue what they were doing ( I don't blame them, the idea was get more bums on seats & through the course & you make more money). The worst 1 of them was when I was subbing to a firm doing safety alterations at a big Flour mill, this guy was the best friend of the owner & had been made foreman. Anyway this job was all done under permit to work, but this guy decided to tell another subbie to work on this motor & that it was locked off & tested as Dead. So the subbie takes the cover off & starts work, did'nt check isolation himself but trusted the foreman. Next thing you know there's a small explosion & the evacuation alarms go off (Flour powder being pretty explosive stuff in concentration). Turns out this "Foreman" had'nt had the system Isolated / Locked off & it had'nt been tested as Dead at all. He just thought it would be safe.

 

[gottahugenoggin]

did he go to my collage?

 

[alarm man]

im doing a 6 week course and i still struggle with cable calcs,im ok on the tools,id like to think im tidy,give it i may take 10 times longer! oh and i struggle with problem solving,which is why im on here reading the problem pages.Would it actually be a problem if it wasn't a stuggle?

thats the problem with these short courses,6 weeks your expected to know everything,most have done a 3yr course,after 6 weeks i couldnt even remember where the classroom was at college,its to much too quick

 

[Specialist]

im doing a 6 week course and i still struggle with cable calcs,im ok on the tools,id like to think im tidy,give it i may take 10 times longer! oh and i struggle with problem solving,which is why im on here reading the problem pages.Would it actually be a problem if it wasn't a stuggle?

Mate: It does'nt matter if you take longer to do things, your still learning. The point is to get it right at this stage so when your out on your own you know how to do it properly. What sort of problem solving are you talking about ? Do you mean Fault finding or the set problems on the course ?

 

[Specialist]

thats the problem with these short courses,6 weeks your expected to know everything,most have done a 3yr course,after 6 weeks i couldnt even remember where the classroom was at college,its to much too quick

Bet you remembered where all the Girls hung out though lol.

Totally agree with too much too quick, they don't give them time to digest / understand 1 subject before they have another 1 rammed down they're throats.

 

[alarm man]

Bet you remembered where all the Girls hung out though lol.

aye not at our college..

 

[gottahugenoggin]

Believe it or not at collage you dont get problems to solve,there's no time for that! You just get shown/told how to do things then you do the practical in the booths,then your work is assessed and you pass/fail.If a problem never arises through your own fault there's no problem to find,its ridiculous.Its up to your own knowledge on the theory side to work out problems when you get out into the real world! which is where most will fall down i reckon

 

[Specialist]

So you'd be buggered if you got out on site & asked to locate a Fault in a circuit ?

By the way: If you don't want to say too much on an open Forum, feel free to PM me.

 

[gottahugenoggin]

It all depends on how complicated the fault was ha ha,if its a simple fault within a house id like to think id know what to test for,but again that falls onto me what ive read from the books ive bought off my own back,not what ive learnt at collage.Ive got a fluke 1653b and some dewalt steely's so at least i could look as though i knew what i was doing right?