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[IQ Electrical]

L-E-C.org.uk - The Licensed Electricians Campaign

Very interesting, you may wish to sign, it's a start at least?

 

[armbands0]

I work for myself, so I could take an NVQ but it's just more expense. Being jib registered is just not a priority at the moment.

It's fair to say I lack experience but that makes me slower not dangerous.

Would you want every electrician to be jib? That might be a better campaigning point than a new approvals licence thing.

 

[rocker]

I see your point IQ, and agree. But presently, that would mean that a Qualified Electrician, say working in the industrial side of our industry, or even say myself a C Eng would be shown the door!!!! Meaning, were not qualified because were not paying a scam provider to use their logo. And this is where it's all wrong. These providers have got the industry (and everyone else) believing that your only qualified if your paying a fee to there company.
From what i can understand, all these providers have there own fair share of cowboys, that there actually protecting, instead of ostracizing... So at this moment in time, this practice of refusing sales purely based on not being with a scam provider sucks, to my mind...

Excellent point, that man, have a look at my reply to the same post. There's nothing to say wholesalers can't deal with varying types of 'identification', even down to a payslip from an electrical-affiliated company. It would be a whole lot better than we have now, any Tom, richard and harry buying what they want.
And you are right about the cowboys, that's why I believe the part p schemes should be made to work for their money - actively pursuing non registered AND people who are registered with them and recieving complaints. Unplanned site visits, that sort of thing. They have the details of the customers, why can't they get in touch with them and see what happens when you aren't doing everything 100% because it's 'for your assessment'? No need for a change of structure, just a need for a change in how it's done.

 

[millwall ken]

Some blinding points here fellas but as I've posted on a similar post Mr DIYer, John Wayne, Peter Pole and Billy Bosnian are not going to be deterred by such rules!!! It'll be, 'er mate, if I give you this score, can you just get this for me'....

 

[PC Electrics]

It's about 15 years since Corgi started and there are still incompetent and unregistered people out there doing gas installations. There are still people dying in rented properties from CO poisoning. We still get the odd gas explosion.

So, what makes anyone believe a Corgi-style registration scheme will rid the electrical industry of cowboys?
To my mind it will just be another form of red-tape. It'll cost much the same as scheme membership does now (presumably some form of assessment will be required to get the "card"?)

I vote for getting the existing rules working properly. In particular it should be a lot easier to report shoddy work and follow up should be assured.

 

[tonys]

I hope when the part p yearly membership renewals come round, any QS who does not hold the Qualifications to match the new City & Guilds/NVQ Qualification that is being rolled out in July this year are refused point blank and struck off.

 

[Engineer54]

It will never happen the way your thinking it can. The providers are profit based, members equals profit!!! they will ALWAYS find a way around from what they should be doing, to what they need to be doing for those profits to ''increase'' It has to be set up on a ''NON'' profit basis, self financing Yes, but not geared, up looking for more and more ways to get money out of the working electrician as these providers seem to be doing with you lot at the moment....

 

[rocker]

I hope when the part p yearly membership renewals come round, any QS who does not hold the Qualifications to match the new City & Guilds/NVQ Qualification that is being rolled out in July this year are refused point blank and struck off.

Why's that then?

 

[rocker]

It will never happen the way your thinking it can. The providers are profit based, members equals profit!!! they will ALWAYS find a way around from what they should be doing, to what they need to be doing for those profits to ''increase'' It has to be set up on a ''NON'' profit basis, self financing Yes, but not geared, up looking for more and more ways to get money out of the working electrician as these providers seem to be doing with you lot at the moment....

With respect man, what is non profit these days? It's never going to happen that way. Anyone who thinks this is likely to be done as some kind of non-earning organisation is labouring under serious misaprehension. And even if it would (it wont), non profit does not mean not free. If the civil service or government can create jobs from it, they damn well will, and WE will be paying all those salaries.

 

[PC Electrics]

I hope when the part p yearly membership renewals come round, any QS who does not hold the Qualifications to match the new City & Guilds/NVQ Qualification that is being rolled out in July this year are refused point blank and struck off.

I admire your zeal to improve electrical contracting standards generally, but not your methods !

 

[tonys]

I admire your zeal to improve electrical contracting standards generally, but not your methods !

You can't keep on kicking the can up the street, it as to start somewhere.

 

[Engineer54]

With respect man, what is non profit these days? It's never going to happen that way. Anyone who thinks this is likely to be done as some kind of non-earning organisation is labouring under serious misaprehension. And even if it would (it wont), non profit does not mean not free. If the civil service or government can create jobs from it, they damn well will, and WE will be paying all those salaries.

Self financing doesn't mean free!!! It can also be non-profit.... There are plenty of successfully run organisations that operate within that criteria. I did say if you look that the set-up needs to be transparent, so whether it's a government service, or a pseudo goverment service, you really do need a government input for the registration/licensing to have the teeth it needs to operate Nationally along with the appropriate enforcement powers..

While there are those that always think the worst, NOTHING will change, apart that is from the costs of these scam providers to the working electricians. They will continue to rise, along with any new found aspects that they find or create, that they can make an extra buck from....

Or, as Tony Commented, ....''You can always keep kicking that can up the street!!'' Totally up to you, and others like you....

 

[rocker]

So you'd trust the government to be transparent? This is what no one seems to understand on ths subject, while the idealogy may be sound, it cannot be put into practice. Just because you say it will be transparent and it will work as a self financing entity, doesn't mean that will happen. And how do we define self financing? How many people realistically would be needed to run this? 40? 50? 100? But if it's being set up by the government, they will see a vote winning opportunity to create jobs somewhere.... 500, 1000 people, then of course we will have to have a body to regulate the body which is regulating us... more people, more expense.

I really have serious reservations entering into this with people who are mad enough to trust anything the government is involed with. It's all utopian cloud-cukoo land nonsense really. Change is all well and good when it's for the better, but I'm telling you, this sort of enforcement will be for the worse. I would put money on it.

You say that nothing will change...... there already has been a massive change in the last few years, part p, and for all the naysayers (and much of the time I'm one of them) who say it 'doesn't work', it's had two short years to try and sort out an industry renowned for being full of cowboys. I don't think that's a reasonable amount of time to give before passing judgement.

AND PART P WILL NOT GO AWAY, so us domestics will be shafted again, another issue that no one seems eager to comment on. This licence is NOT going to be free, it is likely to carry similar charges to part P, 500 a year, and if you want to do domestics (which would be most industrial guy's reason for wanting a licence) you will be stiffed for both charges.

The safety aspect AND the experience aspect are both SUPPOSED to be dealt with by JIB and Part P... if they are not, then this should be adressed with the various existing organisations. Making up a new licence will do nothing but throw up a load more confusion and a load more expense. Anyone who would suggest such a thing must, to my mind, have a vested interest in it.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

This has being doing the rounds for a good while. i think it was last year or the year before when i signed up.

 

[andyb]

Self financing doesn't mean free!!! It can also be non-profit.... There are plenty of successfully run organisations that operate within that criteria.

That's true,

The NICEIC & the ECA to name but two.

 

[tonys]

The Tory's scrapped the HIPS packs after the Labour Government set it up.

Thousands of people spent thousands of pounds doing the course what for ? Nothing in the end.

Labour also advocated the part p scheme and hopefully the Tory's will see through it as a pile of rubbish and scrap it.