Goodbye 2391

[pirhead]

Guys heres some news that will give a lot of people a sigh of releif the 2391 as we know it will be abolished by december 2011!!!! Yeah thats right no more 2391, The qualification is going to broken down into three seperate units 1. Initial verification 2. Periodic Inspection 3. Design and Testing Its all part of the new QCF for electricians does anybody know what QCF means :rockon2:

 

[brizospark]

I am due to start the 2391-20 course for 12 weeks next week. i have already passed my 2391-10.

Is it worth me going through with the 2391-20 next week or should I wait on the new format coming out?

 

[Guest123]

I am due to start the 2391-20 course for 12 weeks next week. i have already passed my 2391-10.

Is it worth me going through with the 2391-20 next week or should I wait on the new format coming out?

I dont think the format of this course will change much IMO, just a new course number is all. I would get on and do it.

 

[Dood]

This new 2391 to me is for those who want an easy way out, it took me 3
Attempts to pass with alot if studying and all I can say is it was worth it.
Plus I bet this new exam won't be as recognised by company's.
Study study study if u want the real deal..
Also I heard the Napit 2391 open book version has to be retaken every 5 years???? Not sure if true but wouldn't surprise me.. More money making.

 

[Cyberprog]

Interesting reading about 2382 though for someone who's about to enroll to do the qualification. I think I might well put off doing 2382 until next year and do it with the 1st amendment, as if I go on to do the testing qualifications I may as well do all of it to the same book.
Not only that, for myself, splitting the qualification up into 3 modules will make things easier to work with, allowing you time to closely study each individual part before putting it into practice.

 

[ezzzekiel]

Yes na2391 needs retaking every 5 years

 

[Des 56]

Lets all go on the IET wiring forum on the same day and post individual threads,each one on this subject of the beloved 2391
I say 20 or 30 threads will swamp the place with the concerns we have

It will get the attention of the regulations makers if nothing else
I think they do influence whats suitable for the industry and what city and guilds decides


IET Forums - Wiring and the regulations

 

[brizospark]

what opportunities can arise from passing the 2391-20?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Yeah, I do not think that the new framework of will make the old ones invalid. If anyting the older qual 2391 is much more of an ask than what is come. It just the exam broken down into achievable sizes I think, I thinkd the present rate of failure is causing the rethink.:helmet:

But the present failure rate isn`t the fault of the course or those that designed it...its the fault of "training centres" who should know better than to put people on it that simply arn`t up to it....Its a big ask...and so it damn well should be...after all its for pir`s and that means inspecting and testing someone elses work so you should know your onions to do that.....I`m sorry but i think the "dumbing down" of these benchmarks has to stop or we will end up a nation of zombies............

 

[La Poste]

Maybe they will dumb it down and then come up with a completely new course.
One we haven't heard of before as a new benchmark for the industry.

That way instead of having one 2391 we will have four new exams, the old 2391 in three sections and a completely new exam.

I can hear the pound coins rolling down the old 2391 road.

It must be great being in control of all this, it's a license to print money.

Please excuse my Cynicism.

 

[madmac]

Two things here 1. this IS a money making racket and that's all it is!!
2. The dumbing down of these courses could also be encouraged by the employers, who are systematically de-skilling our industry and are wanting to get rid of qualified sparks for semi-skilled operatives and these dumbed down courses can only help with their agenda!!!
Huge electricians demos over 35% pay cut - YouTube Take a look at this link boys, this thread is only part of a wider and harder hitting issue to affect our industry!!!

 

[malcolmsanford]

LP I think you are spot on, very little now in our industry is done without money being the driving factor.

It is impossible to run an industry without profit, but it's sad to see everything is money driven. I suppose I do hark back to the days when doing a good job, being proud of that job, was perhaps not as hard to achieve as in today's market, where it seems to be crash it in, that will do and good enough, seems to be our standards.

I suppose we will have to see if the "new" course will be of the same standard, but as you say LP as sure as eggs are eggs, it is not going to be cheaper, money wise that is.

 

[La Poste]

Mad mac that was a good link, I like the fire brand Scotsman.
Interesting that the workforce had decided to hold a demonstration without the unions consent, it sounds like they don't have a lot of faith in their union although I am no expert here and I do not know the politics.

I wonder if there are video cameras rolling and peoples faces being recorded so they can be entered on a black list by employers, if you attend a demonstration you are entered onto a blacklist and labelled a troublemaker and will find it very hard to get work in the future.

Making people afraid to speak out against bad conditions is an age old tactic but unfortunately technology now makes it easier for companies to keep tabs on people but IMO if you don't fight you will be shafted for sure.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

LP I think you are spot on, very little now in our industry is done without money being the driving factor.

It is impossible to run an industry without profit, but it's sad to see everything is money driven. I suppose I do hark back to the days when doing a good job, being proud of that job, was perhaps not as hard to achieve as in today's market, where it seems to be crash it in, that will do and good enough, seems to be our standards.

I suppose we will have to see if the "new" course will be of the same standard, but as you say LP as sure as eggs are eggs, it is not going to be cheaper, money wise that is.

But you DONT have to lose quality of work....thats a personal choice as much as anything else...there will always be those who think that just to "crash it in" is the way to go but personally i prefer to exersize a bit of due care and attention and this way you wont get other sparks coming after you posting your "work" on here..............:biggrin:

 

[La Poste]

The trouble is due care and attention takes time and if you are competing against people who can do the job quicker then you will lose.

I mean if two guys on the same money work together and one lashes it in real quick and the other takes twice as long but makes a real nice job which one do you think the employer will want?

 

[ruston]

The trouble is due care and attention takes time and if you are competing against people who can do the job quicker then you will lose.

I mean if two guys on the same money work together and one lashes it in real quick and the other takes twice as long but makes a real nice job which one do you think the employer will want?

I agree with what you say , the only saving grace is that the neater chap will usually have a better work ethic and have less snagging , be a better time keeper ,but as you say his days are numbered.