UK Is a standard Pendant a Class 2 fitting?

[bilabonic]

Hi All

I’m presuming a standard pendant is a class 2 fitting as the earth terminals are not needed as it’s a plastic fitting and it only has an insulated 2 core going to the actual ‘lamp part’.

Am I correct in thinking this?

The reason I ask is Screwfix have replied to someone’s question that it is a class 1 and requires an earth? Even though it is only used to loop in/out.

Can anyone clarify this for me.

Thanks

 

[littlespark]

I believe pendants, or more specifically the lamp holder is a special case when it comes to regs.
Access to live parts, where anyone can easily stick a finger in and touch the pins.
Although I think new lamp holders don’t power up unless a lamp is fitted.

As for class I or II… A pendant is made up of a ceiling rose, basically a junction box, a length of 2 core flex and a lamp holder.
The double insulated symbol must only be for the lamp holder part.

 

[Dave OCD]

The vast majority of BC lampholders don't have any additional safety features , I think Crabtree did/still do one.

 

[westward10]

There is no way that pendant holder it Class II is has exposed live pins. The part no is K1170RPWHI and the only site which shows that symbol is Amazon none of the other sites do.

 

[brianmoooore]

There is no way that pendant holder it Class II is has exposed live pins. The part no is K1170RPWHI and the only site which shows that symbol is Amazon none of the other sites do.

So Amazon is adding unauthorised 'Double insulated' labels to a product?
Sounds a bit like my dubious market trader relative and his roll of self adhesive 'CE' labels.

 

[westward10]

So Amazon is adding unauthorised 'Double insulated' labels to a product?
Sounds a bit like my dubious market trader relative and his roll of self adhesive 'CE' labels.

Who knows but it is odd this product on other sites does not show it and its position and everything about it is odd.

 

[7029 dave]

My GF mum house has no earth on the lighting circuits, pre 1966 build, has some metal light fittings, she is 90 years old and does not want the house rewiring.
I changed a faulty metal class1 fitting for a pendant (to her disapproval) , have advised to replace the other remaining fittings cant do no more.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

There is no way that pendant holder it Class II is has exposed live pins. The part no is K1170RPWHI and the only site which shows that symbol is Amazon none of the other sites do.

Not from Amazon, I bought this from Screwfix.

 

[westward10]

Not from Amazon, I bought this from Screwfix.

It looks a bit ad hoc I would query it with MK.

 

[nicebutdim]

Part number would be K1186WHI

I'm guessing it must be the 'shockguard' version, which only makes connection when lamp is fitted.


Edit: That part number isn't one of their shockguard pendants.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

It looks a bit ad hoc I would query it with MK.

I don't think it is. My preferred pendant sets are MK, they've always been like this as long as I've been using them. I like the terminals in them.

Here's another lampholder, don't know what brand. I bought it a while back from an online shop for a table lamp repair.

 

[westward10]

Very odd I would never deem them Class II.

 

[nicebutdim]

I don't think it is. My preferred pendant sets are MK, they've always been like this as long as I've been using them. I like the terminals in them.

Here's another lampholder, don't know what brand. I bought it a while back from an online shop for a table lamp repair.

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It's definitely not - I edited that last post while you were typing.

Makes little sense to have a double insulated symbol when, at most, slight pressure gives acces to live parts.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Part number would be K1186WHI

I'm guessing it must be the 'shockguard' version, which only makes connection when lamp is fitted.


Edit: That part number isn't one of their shockguard pendants.

I just tested the MK pendant set, and got continuity between the live terminal in the ceiling rose and one of the pins, without pressing it in, so no special safety guards as far as I can tell

 

[DPG]

I just tested the MK pendant set, and got continuity between the live terminal in the ceiling rose and one of the pins, without pressing it in, so no special safety guards as far as I can tell

Maybe the class 2 status can be when the device is in normal use, ie. When fitted with a bulb?

 

[westward10]

But that wouldn't satisfy the requirements for Class II. I know in BS7671 these lamp holders are somewhat an exclusion for exposed live parts so maybe that plays a part but I don't see it.