L & N at the switch

[Octopus]

Many thanks, appreciate it. You jogged my memory also with Cat No. Thanks

If you changed your location from England to a local town you may even get sensible responses.

TLC sell them too.

 

[Engineer54]

totally disagree , you have stated on a few posts how you dislike neutrals at switches, I really do not understand why, you are given a plan or instruction on the lighting requirements and switching arrangements required, how difficult is it to sink your boxes accordingly. I would understand your reluctance if every job you undertake has walls so thin that the boxes come thru the other side or maybe you have a vast stock of 16mm and 25mm boxes cluttering up your stockroom. Other than what I have mentioned I do not think your argument is valid.
My tin hat is on and I await the replies, bombs/insults etc

I have stated that i dislike looping through the switches, not that i dislike a neutral at a switch, if it's required to be there!! Why, for the reasons i've already explained above.... All makes absolutely perfect sense to me....

We have substantial stock of all back box sizes used on our project (16mm boxes not being one of them) I've seen 35mm (or whatever they are now) jammed full, using this switch looping system, solely because the spark thought it was going to be easier and he'd save a bit of cable, ....he was wrong on both counts!!, More grafting and more cable, and a ****pot system to show for it.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I have stated that i dislike looping through the switches, not that i dislike a neutral at a switch, if it's required to be there!! Why, for the reasons i've already explained above.... All makes absolutely perfect sense to me....

We have substantial stock of all back box sizes used on our project (16mm boxes not being one of them) I've seen 35mm (or whatever they are now) jammed full, using this switch looping system, solely because the spark thought it was going to be easier and he'd save a bit of cable, ....he was wrong on both counts!!, More grafting and more cable, and a ****pot system to show for it.

All fine and dandy until the loop in method is used at a light with a fitting not designed to take 3 cables and you are in the same boat.
Sorry E'.....whilst historically there is much we haven't agreed on I generally take on board your points, weigh them up against my own and sometimes my thinking changes.
But on this you're wrong**edited**.

 

[Jonspark]

Most councils don't like loop in at lights because when residents change their light fitting they usually can't wire it back up correctly. Much better to just have switch wire & neutral at light

 

[davesparks]

Most councils don't like loop in at lights because when residents change their light fitting they usually can't wire it back up correctly. Much better to just have switch wire & neutral at light

Maybe we should install SELV supplies to every light point just in case residents can't manage to isolate the circuit properly and cop for a shock?

What are council tenants doing changing light fittings anyway?

 

[Jonspark]

Maybe we should install SELV supplies to every light point just in case residents can't manage to isolate the circuit properly and cop for a shock?

What are council tenants doing changing light fittings anyway?

Hi Dave, yeah west yorkshire council tenants tend to like changing their light fittings.
Its not about them getting shocks, its about them not knowing where all the little wires go.

 

[davesparks]

I can't believe that the council are happy for them to be changing light fittings in the first place.

 

[Jonspark]

They aren't, but there's not much they can do about it.

 

[davesparks]

Write it in to the tenancy agreement that they are not allowed to interfere with the electrical installation!

 

[TJ Anderson]

Write it in to the tenancy agreement that they are not allowed to interfere with the electrical installation!

These people will probably be Jeremy Kyle Show candidates so may not be able to read said tenancy agreement.

 

[Jonspark]

Write it in to the tenancy agreement that they are not allowed to interfere with the electrical installation!

If you're that concerned I suggest you contact a council representative.

 

[Knobhead]

Yorkshire council are still installing gas mantels.

Derbyshire still have reed candles.

 

[Resu]

Seems to be the preferred method up here (North Scotand) but then again it's predominantly 35mm fastfix boxes so easy really!

 

[Knobhead]

What gas mantels or reed lights?

 

[shanky887614]

What gas mantels or reed lights?

he means fastfix backboxes for stud walls.

there alright but i prefer a mc backbox screwed to a noggin myself