Plant Pot Brigade!

[andrew692003]

Does anyone want to join?

As I've stated before I have never used these between floors or in any new builds so don't get out the sniper rifles straight away!

The only time I have used clay pots has been in lofts where access isn't a problem and usually in older dwelling houses. Now, the last time I did this was a good couple of years ago not that that matters as I can't see a problem with it.

When fitting the pots I always make sure that the insulation is clear of the hole and all dust etc has been cleaned away then I fit the pot with the transformer outside lying on top of the insulation. I always push the insulation up against the pot which makes it very steady.

At the end of the day all you are trying to achieve is to stop debris falling on the lamp and letting the heat dissipitate to possibly stop causing fire so, does it matter whether you use a firehood, plasterboard box or a bloody clay plant pot?

Firehoods can be expensive and a PIA to fit, Plasterboard boxes take time to build and even the cheapest Firerated fittings can still up the cost considerabaly.

Cheers

 

[bugsy]

offical member!

but i'll only use them in the garden!

Dare I say it?.... I can't resist:
Hot debate, but don't get so fired up!

I will only add that within a domestic property the fire compartment is deemed as;

"Walls that separate semi-detached houses or terraced houses are constructed as fire compartment walls and the houses are considered as separate buildings"​

The area within the whole of the house is the compartment, with no seperate fire compartments between floors ~ Only flats have seperate compartments between floors.

With regards to a downlight within a kitchen ceiling;

"These results were, perhaps, surprising in that they confirmed that downlighters, even without being boxed in and with no fire hoods, in plasterboard ceilings have little significant effect on fire resistance ratings up to 30 minutes. It must be inferred from these tests therefore, that, at least with plasterboard ceilings with
conventional rectangular joists, it is not necessary to ‘box in’ luminaries or to use fire hoods for the purpose of restoring the fire resistance capability of ceilings which are not of fire compartment construction."​

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[roukel01]

What debris are you classifying to be reasonably expected? What if lets say a cot or a bike or a old TV falls on the clay pot.....Hmmm....It smashes... maybe...probably...
Are these thing reasonably expected to be stored in a loft or will you tell the home owner, your customer, different.
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You're getting propper wound up by this one aren't you?? Made me chuckle did this one. If the said Bike or old TV falls, we don't need to worry about my poor plant pots, I'd be more worried about the hole in the ceiling that would make

 

[rocker]

Why have you got such a hard on for the phrase 'safety is no accident'?

And why are you having a pop at people who are quoting directly from regs and case studies as if they are talking balls?

I personally wouldn't use plant pots, basically because I think it would be a pain in the rear end taking up all the floor boarding to place them (usually just take up a few select boards when putting in downlighters). However:

A plantpot is fired in a kiln at temperatures in excess of 1000 degrees. It is likely it WOULD be able to withstand a house fire for some time, even though that is not what these folks are saying it should be used for.

Just yesterday I trod on a fire rated downlighter (I use them every time) and it crushed and was unusable. They aint that tough.

There is NO REGULATION that states you MUST use fire hoods in a house. We use them, well most of us, but we dont have to. That is a fact.

 

[martysparky]

You're getting propper wound up by this one aren't you?? Made me chuckle did this one. If the said Bike or old TV falls, we don't need to worry about my poor plant pots, I'd be more worried about the hole in the ceiling that would make

Laughing my ******** out!!!

 

[pennywise]

Bring the rain

 

[martysparky]

Why have you got such a hard on for the phrase 'safety is no accident'?

And why are you having a pop at people who are quoting directly from regs and case studies as if they are talking balls?

I personally wouldn't use plant pots, basically because I think it would be a pain in the rear end taking up all the floor boarding to place them (usually just take up a few select boards when putting in downlighters). However:

A plantpot is fired in a kiln at temperatures in excess of 1000 degrees. It is likely it WOULD be able to withstand a house fire for some time, even though that is not what these folks are saying it should be used for.

Just yesterday I trod on a fire rated downlighter (I use them every time) and it crushed and was unusable. They aint that tough.

There is NO REGULATION that states you MUST use fire hoods in a house. We use them, well most of us, but we dont have to. That is a fact.

I work for SSE Safety is no Accident is there phrase and it get drummed into us, habitual I guess, and if I pop which I'm not don't let the sound of the pop frighten you if it does then its probably doubt.

Just a debate please don't be offended

All interesting stuff just my thoughts on the matter.

Ps. If I use the word YOU it does not mean you literally it is for whoever reads it.

 

[Notsosmart]

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Yours or a pair?

 

[martysparky]

I can hear the judge saying the words very boldly.

Albeit you thought clay pots would be OK but you have failed to reasonably consider all the safety issues and cut corners and cost for self gain.

Is that reasonable?

 

[SirKit Breaker]

I'm gonna get some that have the holes in the bottom...........let the heat out and give a bit of light in the loft as well wont need loft insulation either

 

[roukel01]

I can hear the judge saying the words very boldly.

Albeit you thought clay pots would be OK but you have failed to reasonably consider all the safety issues and cut corners and cost for self gain.

Is that reasonable?

It wouldn't happen I'm afraid. You've been reading too many Health and Safety Books, perhaps your concerns could be put to better use and you could retrain these customers to store their unwanted items in a more convenient and safe place, and allow me to continue using my trusty Pots to protect the fittings.

 

[Notsosmart]

Stop shouting and calm down this thread was was origionally started as a bit of a joke (I believe)

Why would you be dragged through the courts for installing downlighters within a house that had a fire? (unless it was caused by you, of course).

 

[martysparky]

Stop shouting and calm down this thread was was origionally started as a bit of a joke (I believe)

Why would you be dragged through the courts for installing downlighters within a house that had a fire? (unless it was caused by you, of course).

Exaclty........
No not shouting I;m having a bit of a laugh too. lol

it wouldn't happen i'm afraid. You've been reading too many health and safety books, perhaps your concerns could be put to better use and you could retrain these customers to store their unwanted items in a more convenient and safe place, and allow me to continue using my trusty pots to protect the fittings.

pot luck..............................:d

 

[bugsy]

I think this debate has gone off on tangent's
1:what use are they being put to 2: What are the acoustic and fire rating properties of Flower pots?

Before the debate continues may I refer all tp building regs parts B and E

then we'll start again

 

[rocker]

I wonder if we could get the powers that be to test them.....

I can get two for a quid in Poundland, what's a fire hood nowadays, eight, nine quid? We could flog em for a fiver each if they were certified, as the electriciansforums consortium.

I get an extra 5% because it was my idea.

 

[bugsy]

I wonder if we could get the powers that be to test them.....

I can get two for a quid in Poundland, what's a fire hood nowadays, eight, nine quid? We could flog em for a fiver each if they were certified, as the electriciansforums consortium.

I get an extra 5% because it was my idea.

might get even cheaper in a fire sale