Unqualified, inexperienced badged "electricians"

[highspark]

How can we put an end to this drivel? Why is there people out there unqualified and inexperienced bluffing their way into work. Taking work from fully qualified time served lads?Theres a couple in my area. Driving round in vans with schemes tatooed all over them. They look the biz - the outfit. But I know they are not electricians. They are chancers bluffing their way through. The 17th Edition minimum requirement to have a schemes backing...its a farce. The problem I have is the customers can't differenciate from a fully qualified. 17th edition, 2391, tech cert nvq3 electrician from a 17th edition short course idiot! It boils my blood

 

[UNG]

Just to play devil's advocate, how many Electrical Trainee are prosecuted each year for sub standard work ?, how many are imprisoned for killing someone through shoddy work ?, if this problem was really that bad there'd be new legislation brought in for sure.
Who cares what they call themselve's Di, sparks etc as far as this country is concerned there qualified to perform the task at hand - domestic installs, if the customer gives the job to them - tuff luck, if they mess it up then I'm sure the customer wont employ them again.

Whats happening in this industry has been going on in the construction industry for years, and before anyone says 'yeah but leccy kills' so does not correctly supporting a two storey extension properly or missing a fire break.

You could be working in an office today -quit- open a construction company and start bidding on £40'000 projects tommorow, having never looked at a hammer.

If your good at what you do you'll keep working, if your work is shoddy you wont.

Regards Ap

Unfortunately statistics are great but very rarely or never show the true picture, how many dodgy installations have been found before they caused a fatality, injury or damaged property and where is the mechanism for reporting it, how many properties have suffered minor damage due to faulty electrical work that has gone unreported

An MP's daughter was killed from receiving an electric shock and it was front page news I have no doubt there have been others since but they never had the same coverage

The Part P review document indicates that the number of fatalities has decreased since it's introduction but makes no mention of the contribution that the introduction of the 17th edition regs may have made

Part P was introduced to improve domestic electrical work and allowed people with very basic qualifications to register with schemes and carry out electrical work not quite sure how you improve the standard of work by lowering the qualification standard to join a scheme, if it was operated as the NICEIC approved contractor scheme was 25 years ago they wouldn't have a hope in hell of meeting the registration requirements

 

[AP Electrical]

It has Everything to do with Attitudes!!

You mean to say after all these pages on this thread, you can't see how under trained, with no experienced guy's are NOT part of the problem with the ongoing demise of the electrical industry??
We have to go over and over things i'm afraid, just to make sure that the quick fix back door guy's are fully aware that they aren't and never will be Qualified electricians, without extensive ongoing electrical training and holders of AM2 and NVQs to prove minimal work experience.

Unfortunately the Rot always has to start somewhere, it just so happens it's started in the domestic sector, and is quickly spreading to the commercial side with the onset of deskilling!! The industrial sector has already been hit, with short sighted company accountants abandoning apprenticeship training, and relying on outside contractors for ongoing maintenance and installation work, that know little to nothing on the plant they are working on....

You, ...just have to be a Electrical Trainee boy!!!

You, ... online bully.

Tell everyone on this forum what you have personally done to stop the demise of the electrical industry - other than bully and put people down on here for trying to further there career and provide for there families.

Kind Regards AP

p.s at 36 I'm long past being called a boy.

 

[Dave 85]

Just to play devil's advocate, how many Electrical Trainee are prosecuted each year for sub standard work ?, how many are imprisoned for killing someone through shoddy work ?, if this problem was really that bad there'd be new legislation brought in for sure.
Who cares what they call themselve's Di, sparks etc as far as this country is concerned there qualified to perform the task at hand - domestic installs, if the customer gives the job to them - tuff luck, if they mess it up then I'm sure the customer wont employ them again.

Whats happening in this industry has been going on in the construction industry for years, and before anyone says 'yeah but leccy kills' so does not correctly supporting a two storey extension properly or missing a fire break.

You could be working in an office today -quit- open a construction company and start bidding on £40'000 projects tommorow, having never looked at a hammer.

If your good at what you do you'll keep working, if your work is shoddy you wont.

Regards Ap

You, my friend have just hit the proverbial nail on the head

 

[AP Electrical]

You, my friend have just hit the proverbial nail on the head

Putting the world to rights one step at a time............lol

 

[Dave 85]

Ah there it is again. E54 neatly sidesteps a very valid point and launches into another rant about the demise of the poor old industry whilst throwing around accusations of anyone in disagreement being 5 week wonders. How very noble.

Is there any evidence of ANYONE who had done a fast course and is registered being prosecuted for killing someone through substandard work?
If so I've yet to see it....

 

[telectrix]

came across this yesterday. spot the 3 faults.now tell me these 5 week couses make anyone competent. don't count the lid being off, as i removed it .

 

[AP Electrical]

BTW Dont know about Electrical Trainee but the wife has often said 5 minute wonder or was it second :icon9:

 

[tony mc]

came across this yesterday. spot the 3 faults.now tell me these 5 week couses make anyone competent. don't count the lid being off, as i removed it .

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I make it 4 without counting the lid!!

 

[Paul.M]

I've got 5 (maybe 6 depending on the circuit).

 

[AP Electrical]

came across this yesterday. spot the 3 faults.now tell me these 5 week couses make anyone competent. don't count the lid being off, as i removed it .

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Ok, Have you reported that to the Electrical Trainee's scheme ?.

 

[Chr!s]

came across this yesterday. spot the 3 faults.now tell me these 5 week couses make anyone competent. don't count the lid being off, as i removed it .

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Only three?

 

[telectrix]

4 if you count the fact that it's not secured, but i meant the bad ones.

 

[Knobhead]

OK I didn’t screw it to the board. Easy to forget!

 

[telectrix]

to be fair, though, can't blame him for the muppet who added 12" of fibreglass over the halogen downlights.

 

[UNG]

Is there any evidence of ANYONE who had done a fast course and is registered being prosecuted for killing someone through substandard work?
If so I've yet to see it....

Would probably be covered up wouldn't look good a government scheme designed to improve electrical safety killing people

Ok, Have you reported that to the Electrical Trainee's scheme ?.

Hardly worth the effort there supposedly assessed as competent


Find it interesting that in another thread someone who proclaims his competence when it comes to testing can't use his meter properly!!