18 Days to come qualified

[Redvanman]

I was amazed when told about this

Bronze: Domestic Installer Course

You even get to pass the test and inspect course.

is this really possible starting with no knowledge

Christ this really is belittling our trade. Now I know why I make a good living of sorting out bodge jobs.

 

[ruston]

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And here is us worrying about training courses, that is disgusting.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

And here is us worrying about training courses, that is disgusting.

whats up....
you have a perfectly functioning drive there...

 

[UNG]

its all about divide & rule....

The industry is well divided as to who is ruling it is another matter

I'd say it's never too late. The politicians found a way to fragment and dumb-down the industry, given sufficient motivation they could take it in the reverse direction. I think the motivation is the issue rather than there being no solution.

I'd say you are way out of touch with UK and European politics

I blame the Scheme providers who jumped on the back of the MP who's daughter was killed hence the push for Part P that thank God we do not have up here . Now my business is repair and maintenance and specialise in fault finding because I have done it all my days I like to solve problems and the way I approach this is when the customer asks me if I have any evidence I am an electrician I hand them my SJIB grade card and most of the time they apologise for having to ask but I always reassure them that they are quite right because there are guys getting certified after 5 weeks when it took me 6 years. Plus its not easy when you see some clown on Homes Under the Hammer and the interviewer says hey I hear you are now a qualified electrician now so no more getting ripped off with you property portfolio and the reply from the clown is O yea anybody can do it, its a dead easy. This is the same HUTH that the presenter pointed to a CB only CU and said yes the property is ok because it has a safety CU fitted Good God.

So for me I just educate and inform the customer and let them make their mind up plus we have had this discussion on this forum before re the Electrical Trainee adds and thank goodness that somewhere else has the integrity not to have them its a bit like money lenders in a church

The scheme providers never existed prior to Part P as to the MP's daughter being electrocuted I have read so many reports on this that I am not sure the blame can be wholly attributed to an electrician when some one decided to fix some thing to a kitchen wall that happened to become live

It's not my decision who advertises on the forum, I have no say in this whatsoever. Given they're as much a part of the electrical industry landscape as they are, if it was my decision they'd stay as advertisers. I've already stated my view that I don't think the training providers are to blame, they don't make the laws and they don't set the technical requirements or standards of the electrical courses.

The 15 day. 18 day, Electrical Trainee only exist due to the training providers exploiting a competent persons scheme designed to increase the end users safety and reduce the number of people out of work

The training providers are peddling an impossible dream and you may be playing devils advocate but even you would have to agree no one is going make the grade in 18 days

 

[Essexboy7]

I have found one for 15 days, please ignore my comments, just cant help a little bit of sarcasm occassionally, especially when I am a DI! mg_smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcJrOlM_RJ8

I notice that comments are now not accepted on there LOL

 

[Marvo]

I'd say you are way out of touch with UK and European politics

You're probably right.

The scheme providers never existed prior to Part P as to the MP's daughter being electrocuted I have read so many reports on this that I am not sure the blame can be wholly attributed to an electrician when some one decided to fix some thing to a kitchen wall that happened to become live

The 15 day. 18 day, Electrical Trainee only exist due to the training providers exploiting a competent persons scheme designed to increase the end users safety and reduce the number of people out of work

The training providers are peddling an impossible dream and you may be playing devils advocate but even you would have to agree no one is going make the grade in 18 days

I thought the scheme providers were around long before partp but I may be wrong.

I agree the training providers are peddling the impossible dream but hey, so is the state lottery, it's not illegal. I am playing devils advocate to some degree, I'm under no illusions the training providers are angels, I've seen their websites many of which reek of sharp business practices and exploitation (which I'm sure they'd class as marketing) but whilst they're certainly 'riding it' to quote Glenn and whilst I certainly have zero respect for the whole training provider industry they didn't set the required technical standard andthey didn't make the laws and for the most-part although their marketing and business models may well be the epitome of moral bankruptcy they're not doing anything that's illegal and they're going to be around until the law is ammended.

 

[oldtimer]

The scheme providers never existed prior to Part P as to the MP's daughter being electrocuted I have read so many reports on this that I am not sure the blame can be wholly attributed to an electrician when some one decided to fix some thing to a kitchen wall that happened to become live

Ung your comment above does not make sense up here Select & NICEIC have been trading since I got in the game 38 years ago don't know about Elesca ect

 

[dubsparks]

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**** sake it's four years over here in Ireland . With around twenty tests thru out it . Lazy irish should have just taken a holiday over to you.s and taken the eighteen weeks

 

[Guitarist]

With this set of qualifications and skills you can be confident you will be fully equipped...

Read more: Bronze: Domestic Installer Course

I am just speechless, I really am....

 

[oldtimer]

Part P has made a mockery of our trade the idea was poorly planned and the Schemes instead of making it work they have in my view been negligent in dragging our trade to the lowest level for the sake of profit Remember the the house of commons enquiry said they had a clear conflict of interests before watering it down. Now the trick is to make the mugs sorry members think that it is still valid whilst not even policing it except if someone is using their badge

 

[Sparky Ninja]

oh , but there is !

the new part p qualified supervisor course is................

















wait for it.............
















1 day :-D

It's 2 years actually.

Unfortunately the competent person schemes are ignoring this though.
They are still enrolling people with just 17th edition and a little testing experience - even after the April 6th deadline which they all manged to prolong for a year.

 

[gazj82]

After I had been an apprentice for four years I still didn't know it all. After working in the trade for 15 years I still don't know it all. I am very competent but still (and will never!) know it ALL!

After 18 days you still can't use a pair of cutters compentently let alone anything else.

On another note, my Wifes step dad went on some 2 week plumbing course, when I next saw him he was very pleased with himself and said "I can do plumbing now!". Lets say the conversation turned quite sour after I pointed out to him "No you can't!, not after two weeks"

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Part P has made a mockery of our trade the idea was poorly planned and the Schemes instead of making it work they have in my view been negligent in dragging our trade to the lowest level for the sake of profit Remember the the house of commons enquiry said they had a clear conflict of interests before watering it down. Now the trick is to make the mugs sorry members think that it is still valid whilst not even policing it except if someone is using their badge

reported the guy from a few weeks ago for fraudulantly using the elecsa badge (unless he`s recently got himself regisitered that is)...whilst i pay my yearly fees....still waiting for a response....but i will chase it up...

 

[flyingsausage]

Qualified, on paper... Yes
Able to register on a Scheme, Yes according to T4U.
Competent.. NO
Experienced..NO
Capable of working unsupervised..NO
Capable of becoming Self employed with enough income to live..NO
Suitable for employment by others..NO, unless the employer themselves have done a similar course.

Straight to the point I like that.

 

[flyingsausage]

If this is an eighteen day course the Electrical Trainee's will start to either feel ripped of or over qualified.

You could just imagine a Electrical Trainee struting his stuff and acting like an experienced man to an 18 day wonder.
Then the Electrical Trainee will meet a real spark that served a proper apprenticeship and got his approved ticket and then realise how unskilled and dangerous he is,when the real spark shows his knowledge.

 

[Guitarist]

If this is an eighteen day course the Electrical Trainee's will start to either feel ripped of or over qualified.

You could just imagine a Electrical Trainee struting his stuff and acting like an experienced man to an 18 day wonder.
Then the Electrical Trainee will meet a real spark that served a proper apprenticeship and got his approved ticket and then realise how unskilled and dangerous he is,when the real spark shows his knowledge.

Don't be silly. Electrical Trainee's aren't trained to interact with people.