No cpc on lighting and no neutral continuity on kitchen ring

[Muzza115]

Hi All,
I recently replaced an old rewirable fuse board for metal split load rcd board. However on testing prior to replacement I noted that one of the lighting circuits doesn’t have a cpc. I’ve put this in the EIC for the new board that no cpc for lights, advised client that needs rewiring and advise against metal fittings accessories etc,is this the right course of action to take? They do already have metal fittings on this circuit, Is rcd protection enough to cover this? Also the kitchen ring has no continuity on the neutral conductor, I’ve had all the accessories off to find it but can’t, I’m assuming the break maybe in a buried joint box as the kitchen is an old extension. What’s the best course of action to take regarding this please?
Thanks

 

[Toneyz]

Bs7671 does not require existing circuits to be upgraded unless they are defective or non-compliant with BS7671 in a way that they would result in the installation being dangerous. There is no legal requirement for the existing to be upgraded.

 

[Octopus]

^^

I am guessing you are NICEIC member ....

 

[Pete999]

Exactly, there can not be any C1 or C2, otherwise he cannot issue an EIC. All has to be earthed and all mcbs and RCDs need to meet the requirements of the regs. I will never issue a EIC knowing that's the earthing to the lighting is not in place and I will tell Mrs Jones, I cannot continue with the board unless she pays me to rectify the issues that will prevent me from issuing an EIC, because I am the one responsible by law, I am the one who signs off the work and I am the one who notifies building authority.

Bs7671 does not require existing circuits to be upgraded unless they are defective or non-compliant with BS7671 in a way that they would result in the installation being dangerous. There is no legal requirement for the existing to be upgraded.

Suggest Sham reads Electrical Safety First, Best Practice Guide No 1, Replacing a Consumers Unit in Domestic and similar premises. Sorry Muzza

 

[Toneyz]

Bs7671 does not require existing circuits to be upgraded unless they are defective or non-compliant with BS7671 in a way that they would result in the installation being dangerous. There is no legal requirement for the existing to be upgraded.

^^

I am guessing you are NICEIC member ....

No, but used to be a Duty holder/Q.S.you don't need to belong to a shame, scheme etc to do things correctly.

 

[Pete999]

^^

I am guessing you are NICEIC member ....

Probably knowing what the NICEIC's stand is.

 

[sham]

Bs7671 does not require existing circuits to be upgraded unless they are defective or non-compliant with BS7671 in a way that they would result in the installation being dangerous. There is no legal requirement for the existing to be upgraded.

But I'm sure you can not change a fuse board if earthing not correct. It defeats the object. If an inspector asks you to carry out an RCD trip test, you are in trouble

 

[Pete999]

Bs7671 does not require existing circuits to be upgraded unless they are defective or non-compliant with BS7671 in a way that they would result in the installation being dangerous. There is no legal requirement for the existing to be upgraded.

No,but used to be a Duty holder/Q.S.

Ignore my last post about NICEIC Ant, thought Murdoch was referring to the OP didn't see the arrows aimed at your post.
I'm out of this one.

 

[Toneyz]

Probably knowing what the NICEIC's stand is.

The standard is know and comply with the regs, do a good job and charge a competitive rate without ripping the customer off.

 

[Toneyz]

. Apparently you could get away without CPC to lighting before, as long as there are no metal switches or fittings. That's all changing now.[/QUOTE]
What is changing?

 

[sham]

Suggest the OP reads Electrical Safety First, Best Practice Guide No 1, Replacing a Consumers Unit in Domestic and similar premises.

Suggest Sham reads Electrical Safety First, Best Practice Guide No 1, Replacing a Consumers Unit in Domestic and similar premises. Sorry Muzza[/QUOTE

You can not there fore issue an EIC then.
From Electrical safety First
4.3. However, circuits that are defective or non-
compliant with the requirements of BS 7671 in a
way that would result in immediate or potential
danger must not be reconnected to the consumer
unit.
.

 

[sham]

Suggest Sham reads Electrical Safety First, Best Practice Guide No 1, Replacing a Consumers Unit in Domestic and similar premises. Sorry Muzza

From Electrical Safety First
However, circuits that are defective or non-
compliant with the requirements of BS 7671 in a
way that would result in immediate or potential
danger must not be reconnected to the consumer
unit.

 

[sham]

. Apparently you could get away without CPC to lighting before, as long as there are no metal switches or fittings. That's all changing now.

What is changing?[/QUOTE]
You cannot report it as an c3 and advise no metal fixtures, there has to be a CPC connected.

 

[Andy78]

What is changing?

You cannot report it as an c3 and advise no metal fixtures, there has to be a CPC connected.[/QUOTE]

The definition of the codes used on eicr are not changing, and neither are the requirements for cpcs. This issue will be no different on a periodic inspection in the 18th to what it is now.

 

[Andy78]

But I'm sure you can not change a fuse board if earthing not correct. It defeats the object. If an inspector asks you to carry out an RCD trip test, you are in trouble

What do you mean regarding the function of RCDs ?

 

[Octopus]

But I'm sure you can not change a fuse board if earthing not correct. It defeats the object. If an inspector asks you to carry out an RCD trip test, you are in trouble

You don't know what you are doing do you.

RCD trip tests are done AT the RCD.